" just look at "Gemini Man" and "Tron" side by side."
I don't have a copy of either one to compare, and the best official home video release of Tron is only standard BD (1080p), which is ridiculously low resolution compared to 70mm. Do you even have Tron on lowly BD for a comparison?
"Yes, 3.2K is much lower resolution compared to 70mm, but the results are evident."
No, they aren't evident, because you haven't seen the actual results. You haven't even seen a modern UHD (2160p) transfer of Tron, because there isn't one.
"And yes, you're right that there has been a generation of loss— "first-generation film prints struck directly from the camera negatives"—which we can't see today."
There were several generations of loss in the theatrical film prints, so even if you saw it in a theater equipped with a 70mm projector, you still wouldn't be seeing it at its best, because they wouldn't be showing the IP that's locked away in a vault somewhere, they would be showing an ordinary theatrical film print.
However, when transfers of film to digital are done, they use the IP if they can, so those several generations of loss that you would have seen at the theater are gone. The problem is, digital home video formats and video displays haven't progressed far enough to do 70mm justice, so you'll be waiting a long time to see it at its best, assuming it ever happens at all. Then you can compare your 12K copy of Tron to your 3.2K (native resolution) copy of Gemini Man.
"So, there's no way to truly compare them at their best."
Not right now for most people; maybe in the future. But like I mentioned above, I'm wondering if you even have the best available copy of Tron to use as a comparison (standard BD).
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robocop2019 (214)
6 months ago
" I'm wondering if you even have the best available copy of Tron to use as a comparison (standard BD)"
No my friend. I don't. That is what I am trying to explain to you. I don't have the Tron in all it's glory not even standard BD. Nobody does as it's just not out there. And that's also my point. Since the only version of Tron that is available is just 1080p and that too grainy. It's of no use to me. As I said earlier. I have asked this question not for academic debate but for enjoying it in my leisure time. What use is it to me even if it was shot on world's best camera in the history of mankind, if original is 4k or 400k if it's just not available.
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MaximRecoil (4631)
6 months ago
"No my friend. I don't."
Then why did you say, "just look at "Gemini Man" and "Tron" side by side." and "the results are evident" if you don't even have the Tron BD to look at? How could you possibly know what the results are?
"That is what I am trying to explain to you. I don't have the Tron in all it's glory not even standard BD. Nobody does as it's just not out there."
What are you talking about? The standard BD is certainly out there, and it's cheap:
https://www.amazon.com/Tron-Original-Classic-Two-Disc-Blu-ray/dp/B004KPLVW2
"And that's also my point. Since the only version of Tron that is available is just 1080p and that too grainy."
You've never seen it so how do you know it's "too grainy"? If you're trying to say that it's too grainy simply due to being 1080p, then that doesn't make any sense because resolution has nothing to do with how grainy a video is.
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