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Pizza Hut 2 days ago.

So good.

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Popeye's chicken sandwich.

I'd eat it every day but I would like to live to be old.

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We just got another new chicken place here: Slim Chickens. I've never heard of it before.

There's a joke around here. A couple of weeks ago, many people from my neighborhood attended a city council meeting to object to building a 24-hour convenience store, gas station, and car wash in the neighborhood. Just what this city needs along the "gateway" to downtown. πŸ™„ Luckily, we persuaded the city council to vote it down. πŸ€Έβ€β™€οΈ

One of the residents who spoke at the meeting said, "We don't need another gas station or another chicken place in this town." The plot of land in question was less than half a block from the city's crown jewel - a beautiful park with a small lake where multiple community events take place, including weekly free summer concerts and other festivals.

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Pizza Hut 2 days ago.
So good.


That would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

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Ironic humor, possibly? Pizza Butt is one of the worst.
Want pizza? Find a local family-run pizzeria. Yes, these still exist; one just needs to do a bit of searching. The food is better and you are supporting small businesses instead of some giant corporate garbage chain.
And saying these places are "too expensive" is a lame excuse. Many of them offer coupons or specials. One can get far superior food for the same price as (or sometimes for less than) that you would pay at one of the garbage places.
"You get what you pay for" is a tired but true adage.

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I think all the chains suck on ice. I have to bite my lip when someone, in polite company, says Costco pizza is great. Good God - mushy unfermented crust, generic canned "sauce", crappy cheese.. I suppose if you grew up with school cafeteria "pizza", Pizza Hut might seem good.

The good news is that while great pizza was pretty much confined to the areas where Italian immigrants first migrated (northeast), there are a lot of excellent pizzerias scattered around the country now and growing.

The other option is to make your own. I should do a youtube video on how to make an authentic New York, New Haven style pizza, and you can make a variation pan type in a cookie sheet (similar to Detroit style).


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Costco's so-called "pizza" is horrible, too... it's processed frozen sludge that has been reheated. People can't seem to understand that when you freeze pizza crust (and other bakery goods) you destroy the flavor.

Yes, I've read that the best pizza comes from two areas in the U.S.: the New England/New York/New Jersey corridor, and the Chicago area. I live in the northern central U.S. and wish I could find a real pizzeria that offers this, because I've always wanted to try it for myself.

I have been seriously considering investing in a pizza oven and learning how to make my own ever since we lost our local pizza place when Sloppa John's opened a location three blocks away. I can name four family-owned restaurants and small local chains that have gone under in recent years. They never reopen or they get replaced with one of the giant corporate pig-slop parlors. It's sad.

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You actually don't need a pizza oven, even your home oven will do. If you use a stone, set your oven to 550F and heat the stone for at least 45 minutes and set your rack about 3/4 down.

If you do a cooking sheet pan style, set your oven to 485F and go about halfway on the rack.

Don't use "sauce", use crushed canned tomatoes - San Marzanos are expensive but they're great or you can use any Italian crushed tomatoes. Do NOT cook the tomatoes - they go right on the pizza and cook with it.

Use real imported Pecorino Romano or Reggiano Parmigianno, not any domestic crap (trust me on this). Sprinkle over the pizza or mix in the tomatoes before putting on the crust.

Making dough isn't difficult, but you want to make sure you *don't* over yeast it (if it rises too quickly it won't form correctly) and you want to make it at least 24 hours in advance to ferment properly (develops flavor).

If you're using mozzarella, use whole milk mozz, not the partially skim. What the hell - you're eating pizza so the few extra calories are worth it.

Use an 1/8 tsp of dried oregano in the tomatoes. If you have fish sauce, add about a tsp of that.

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Thank you for the ideas. I will have to see if I can find the tomatoes, cheeses, and other items you listed (minus the "fish sauce"; I don't eat fish/seafood).

If I'm understanding correctly, the crushed tomatoes and oregano will cover the crust in place of tomato sauce. What about the flour? I've read that a specific type is used for pizza crust, and even the added water can make a difference.





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The crushed tomatoes and herbs is actually the "sauce", and this is instead of the typical canned sauce premade.

Re: fish sauce... If you ever had pizza in New Haven CT and was blown away by a basic tomato pie (crust - tomatoes - sprinkle of Romano -NO mozzarella), you might be surprised to find that they melt in a small bit of anchovy into the tomato sauce. You aren't aware of it even if you hate anchovy but the umami bomb it imparts is amazing.

Sometimes I will use a couple of real anchovy fillets and lightly saute them in olive oil at low-medium heat until the anchovy dissolves, hit it with some fresh garlic for about 10 seconds (garlic needs seconds, not minutes), then transfer the oil/anchovy/garlic mixture to my bowl of tomatoes along with the oregano and stir. You can also add a small can of tomato paste if you like the sauce a bit thicker.

That mixture goes on the dough. I like to put the mozz cheese down first but you can go either way. If you put the mozz on top of the sauce, then you might want to lightly cover the pizza for the first 8-10 minutes to prevent the mozz from burning.

When I make dough, I use a 50/50 blend of bread flour and all purpose flour, but some people go straight AP or straight bread flour. I like the mix.

I also like to proof the dough for 24-48 hours, so I always make my dough a day or so ahead and let it proof/ferment in the fridge.

Water? Well, to be honest, I don't believe in that. For me to believe, I'd need to sample two pizzas from the same chef made with the local water and one with any bottled water. If there's a difference, it would be fractional points.

I can promise that any home made pizza as described will be 10X better than anything you can buy from the chains, and maybe even better than most mom and pops you might love.

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It occurs to me you might not eat seafood is you're a vegetarian/vegan. If so, leave the fish sauce/anchovy out. If it's a flavor thing, try it anyway. The secret to using fish sauce or anchovy is not to use too much - if you pick up the fish flavor it's too much. I keep fish sauce for my Asian cooking and for adding to my salad dressing (sort of a Caesar leaning dressing).

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I've never been to New Haven, which is why I am wondering what real East Coast pizza is like. Years ago I had a girlfriend whose family was from that city, and I picked up a lot of pointers as to what to look for in pizza if you want quality.

I'll have to see if I can find the ingredients you listed (I'm still going to pass on the anchovies, though).

Thanks again for all the information. πŸ• πŸ• πŸ• πŸ•

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If you're ever in CT and stop at New Haven, there are three legendary spots, but my favorite and the favorite of our "pizza tour group" is Modern Apizza.

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Sounds interesting, but being in the northern central U.S., Connecticut is too far away. I don't travel. The former girlfriend I mentioned wasn't living there at the time; we only met because her parents had decided to move west.

Thank you again for the ideas.

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a royale with cheese, baby, from old Mc

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