"forgive my son. I know he had his reasons".
Oh, Ok, he had his reasons.
FORGIVEN!
Stupid woman.
" Now we see the violence inherent in the system ! " - Oppressed peasant
That's how it is in today's world. Parents victimizing the guilty suspects.
If that shooter wasn't a minority public officials would've defended his actions by saying, "He had a bad day" or "He was depressed and bullied".
I think I'm right in thinking if the shooter was a white boy they would already be milking the racist thing again.
shareYeah, fuck off.
shareIf that vile babydick murderer had kept his killing spree at home, starting with her and ending with himself, he'd actuall have done humanity a favor.
shareConnie, are you a troll by any chance?
The complete quote is “He had his reasons for doing what he did and please don’t judge him. I only want the innocent children who died to forgive me.”
She still asked to be forgiven by the victims.
C'mon man. "He had his 'reasons' for doing what he did..."? That rationale by the mother partly explains why the shooter was so screwed up in the head to begin with.
shareBut if you leave off the second sentence it makes it look like she supports his murder spree. She doesn't. She feels guilty for it.
If some fool here is gonna post information, give the whole story, not half of it.
Is Connie male, female or trans?
Of course she's going to feel a measure of guilt. An extremely bad choice of words on her part after such an evil, horrific event.
shareBut if you read the entire statement she just wants forgiveness for her son. She's not condoning what he did. It sounds to me like the standard Christian axiom "love the sinner but hate the sin". The media is trying to sensationalize it.
I'm more concerned about the chickenshit cops who didn't stop this and save the lives of some of those children.
I agree on how the cops seriously mishandled this. The plot thickens, so to speak. Heads are going to roll and wrongful death suits will be aplenty.
shareOh sure, she wants to be forgiven and her son to be forgiven, but no part of her stupid statement takes ane responsibility - not for herself, not for her son.
Her son KILLED 19 INNOCENT CHILDREN, and she won't even say anything critical about him! This is why we have young mass murderers, they're raised without accountability or responsibility, by people who refuse to curb their worst tendencies.
But now you're blaming the wrong person for the crimes of another. Are you saying parents are now responsible for the acts of their children? And the killer was 18 and an adult. Are parents responsible for the crimes of their adult children?
shareThe dickless shooter was 18 and lived with family members. So while his family bear no legal responsibility for his crimes, other than whatever weapons-related violations they may have allowed in their homes, there's are social penalties extracted on those who unleash monster children on the community. That's what the mother's statement is about, she knows that everyone she knows AND everyone who reads the news, is going to blame her for literally creating a monster. She's begging the community and the world not to hate her and the rest of the family, and doing a remarkably bad job, I mean she could hardly have said anything worse than any version of "he had his reasons" or "don't judge him". Of course people judge those who RUTHLESSLY MURDER 19 INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS, and typically, anyone who made any known contribution to his crimes, such as giving birth to him.
Because yes, the family can fairly be considered to be a part of the problems that led up to Dickless's actions. A typical 18 year old may be legally an adult, but they're still very much enmeshed in the family, and if there's family dysfunction they're totally wrapped up in it. So while I'd never suggest that the parents suffer any legal penalty, unless they bought him guns for Christmas, I think it's fair to say that they fucked up the parenting.
Sure, the family obviously helped make this guy into a monster. But then you could also let him off the hook and say it's society's fault. Or the result of living in the 21st century. Or the devil made him do it.
shareThe family never hurt anyone, as far as we know, but they aren't blameless. They created a monster and their family problem became rveryone's problem, and they really are going to have to deal with criticism and blowback, and for a long, long, time.
It sounds like tge mother is desperately hoping that everyone will let her son off the hook and her as well, but really. She sounds like an idiot.
No, the blame is on the man who committed the act. There are bad parents and dysfunctional families which raise good people who don't commit murder.
Again, you leave off her second sentence: "I only want the innocent children who died to forgive me.” She feels guilt.
I've said repeatedly that she's committed no crime, never harmed a fly as far as anyone knows, bears no legal responsibility for the atrocity murders of innocents. You seem determined to misunderstand the difference between Babydick Ramos's complete legal and moral responsibility, and the family's failings. The family doesn't get off free, even if they never hurt anyone.
And you don't seem great at grasping subtleties.
And you don't seem great at grasping subtleties.
You seem to think that in order to for Ramos to be held 100% responsible, everyone else must be considered completely blameless! That any attempt to analyze the larger situation removes blame from Ramos himself! That is simple-minded, black-and-white thinking.
Yes, Ramos is 100% legally and morally responsible for the atrocities he committed, he alone bears the legal and social penalties for his crimes. Yet, other people did things that contributed to the crimes, they are not legally responsible, yet they did wrong and need to deal with the consequences, and others need to ever do the same. His presumably dysfunctional family, whoever sold him the fucking guns, public officials who blocked gun control laws and everyone at the NRA, anyone who ever let him off the hook for violence in the past instead of making him face consequences, etc. There need to be changes in gun laws and police polity, and regular schmoes need to deal with creepy violent young men, and not just ignore them and hope they'll grow out of it.
The bottom line here is that the family is not ethically responsible for the acts of the child, as the troll OP is trying to claim with his abridged quote.
We don't know the particulars of this man's upbringing. For all we know his parents did just fine.
And how can I make this statement?
Because millions of people grow up in poverty with dysfunctional families and even abusive parents, and they grow up to be ethical responsible people. Very few of them are murderers.
So you take one monster from a possibly dysfunctional family, and compare him to the millions of good successful people who didn't have perfect parents yet do not jay walk let alone kill people. And you see that the responsibility lies completely with the perpetrator.
You know, that's an NRA talking point - "Just look at the lone shooter, don't look at any other problems or things that might be changed to prevent further tragedies! It's all just lone shooters!".
But even though, FOR THE BAZILLIONTH FUCKING TIME, the shooter is 100% responsible for his own actions and will bear the legal penalties along, the rest of us need to look at the larger picture and all the issues that contributed to a lone psycho being able to get a gun and use it to kill innocents. We need to talk about responsible gun ownership and gun lisencing, keep the nutters like Ramos from ever being able to get one, we need to look at school bullies and what consequences they face or don't, we need to look at what mental health services are available to people who aren't rich, we need to look at mandated reporting in schools, and we need to look as hard as hell at dysfunctional young men and the dipshits who raised them! Which means yeah, we need to look as hard as hell at the Ramos family, and find out if there was any difference between them and all the millions of struggling and dysfunctional families whose children don't turn into mass murderers.
FOR THE BAZILLIONTH FUCKING TIME
No gun control is not a separate issue! And BTW, dude, why the hell are you up and arguing at this hour! I work nights, and even I'm about to go to be now, on this my night off.
And you try telling the bereaved mothers and fathers of Uvalde that that family wasn't part of the problem. When you've finished fucking off.
JFC, no need to get hostile.
And I seriously doubt the grieving parents are blaming the mother.
This whole thread is trolling and it starts out with false information which should have warned everyone not to fall for it.
Intelligent and nuanced post. I sometimes disagree with you but here, I must give credit where credit is due.
shareNope, DB, just because the phrase, "I have my reasons" is commonly used by people trying to excuse bad behaviour by alluding to obscure personal issues, that shouldn't be taken as a universal justification for every wrongdoing by everyone.
We need to be discriminating and keep an open mind when we see that sort of thing. My thought is that the women was struggling to find something to say, and chose a popular apocryphal phrase without thinking of its implications. People do that sort of thing under stress.
I wonder if maybe English was her second language.
shareJesus, Connie! Just because she said "He had his reasons", why would you take that to mean his reasons were good? The wretched woman was trying to give some rationale for her son's crimes, but she wasn't trying to excuse them!
Seems to be so easy to misapprehend people these days... Whenever we see a phrase that someone else has used as an excuse, we go right ahead and assume it's being used as an excuse again! In this case, the poor woman was simply saying, "He was stuffed in the head, that was his reason". Jesus!
New to Connie?
shareI haven't had any long chats with her, but I occasionally read her stuff.
Why, what's her story, Kamen?
He. I'm a He!
shareOh...
shareDuh. That is Intothenight get with the program.
shareThat makes about as much sense as everything else you say here.
shareLooks who's talking. It makes perfect sense.. if you're not a dumbass
shareLook, sonny, I had my fill of boredom, listening to your bum-chum mate "leodecaprio" blather on yesterday. But he, at least, was sometimes articulate.
You're not.
So, save it for someone who cares. To make it simpler for you - go fuck yourself.
I believe I already told you to go fuck yourself. Come up with something original. Don't make me post a link to your dumb threads... sonny
Here is a shining example of your dumbassery
https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/6289c3456180c510d1a83cc4/Ready-for-this
Do what you want. Play with yourself, fuck yourself, or just fuck off. Either way, makes no difference to me. You're not interesting enough to talk to. Go annoy someone else.
THIS IS THE LAST REPLY I'LL GIVE YOU. ANY RESPONSE WILL BE IGNORED. I put that in caps so you wouldn't misunderstand..............
Connie93 is a post office worker.
shareObviously I don't think we are meant to take it literally, but I think this stems from a shocking fact that it is indeed her son that is the killer and she deep down inside knows that sadly, he will NEVER like that be forgiven, no matter what the reasons and even the OP I'm sure would not forgive even if the mother in question came up with an A+ graded essay in an attempt to convince like that.
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