Does Time Have a Beginning or an End? - General Discussion Discussion

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

What do you mean "before time"

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

What do you mean "before time"

That would be BEFORE the BIG BANG takes place.

Here's the link where I found the QUESTION:

https://www.mantelligence.com/philosophical-questions/#:~:text=%2030%20Deep%20Philosophical%20Questions%20%E2%80%93%20Highly%20thought-provoking,Is%20nature%20moving%20towards%20dissolution%2C%20or...%20More%20

We have a pretty good idea (backed by some strong evidence) that the space-time fabric of our universe violently burst into existence about 13.8 billion years ago. But what about before then?

If all the universe was condensed into a tiny dot (or didn’t exist at all), was there a time? In other words, since space-time is a woven fabric, can time exist without space?

…And the philosophical question actually gets deeper:

What about the ‘end’ of time? Will the universe continue changing, or does time ‘stop’ at some point? What happens to life when/if it does?

It's in the TOP 5 QUESTIONS of the other 30 QUESTIONS that you can find there.

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[–] diezman (2121) 4 years ago

Once movement stops then time stops.

The universe is ever expanding which is movement.

Will the universe stop expanding? Will some being still be around to witness. Even if there is a being to witness the end of the universe expanding the witness would still be moving.

Would time stop after the witness dies?

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

SPACE-TIME may not STOP or CEASE to EXIST after a WITNESS dies, but without a WITNESS to verify it's existence, then how much difference would it make that it still EXISTED???

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[–] diezman (2121) 4 years ago

Good question. As I stated " once the universe stopped expanding". There would be no movement.

Therefore after the witness dies there would be no more movement.

Think of all the stars and planets being dead. No supernovas no nothing. No activity whatsoever. No energy. Just dead.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

Yes, but the WITNESS will most likely also DIE BILLIONS of YEARS before the UNIVERSE would reach that kind of a STATE.

And BLACK HOLES would probably also be the last thing to still EXIST (after they'd GOBBLED UP EVERYTHING that still EXISTED).

And some theories suggest that we (OUR UNIVERSE) may also already EXIST inside of a BLACK HOLE.

So how would that factor into what happens to us???

Is it possible the BLACK HOLE that we inhabit (which may have SWALLOWED US) might SPIT US back OUT AGAIN???

THUS also creating another BIG BANG again???

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[–] AndyKing1967 (38406) 4 years ago

Unfortunately, our current understanding of time and space is so miniscule that it is unlikely that we will be anywhere near to finding the answers for the foreseeable future.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

Unfortunately, our current understanding of time and space is so miniscule that it is unlikely that we will be anywhere near to finding the answers for the foreseeable future.

What about Einstein and his theory of relativity???

Formulated by Albert Einstein in 1905, the theory of relativity is the notion that the laws of physics are the same everywhere. The theory explains the behavior of objects in space and time, and it can be used to predict everything from the existence of black holes, to light bending due to gravity, to the behavior of the planet Mercury in its orbit.

8 Ways You Can See Einstein's Theory of Relativity in Real ...

www.livescience.com/58245-theory-of-relativity-in-real-life.html

Surely that theory also indicates that our understanding of SPACE-TIME is more than just MINISCULE???

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[–] AndyKing1967 (38406) 4 years ago

I think we underestimate our importance. It’s like saying that Einstein was the most intelligent termite.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

https://parade.com/1056238/marynliles/highest-iq-in-the-world/

Who Has the Highest IQ in the World? 35 People Who Are Even Smarter Than Einstein

There’s no doubt that Einstein was a genius, but he doesn’t win the title of “smartest person in the world” because there are tons of people—both past and present—who are even smarter.

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

I don't think its as complicated as you're making it. Things have happened in the past to put Earth in different places, and they will happen in the future. Like a car crash, things could be headed for us at any point, to destroy Earth, and there isn't much we can do about it. Humans are very Egotistical, to think an asteroid, etc.. couldn't hit us and destroy everything.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

What do you mean things happened in the past to put the EARTH in different places???

As far as I know it hasn't changed places ever since it's formation into the BIG ROCK that we now inhabit.

But YES I agree with what you say about how things could be heading for us like a CAR CRASH (especially the ANDROMEDA GALAXY -- at which time we'd also become another ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SHAPED GALAXY -- if our SOLAR SYSTEM isn't also FLUNG OUT into SPACE during that MERGER).

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

I just meant the ice age happened. Things died out..That could happen to us at any time.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

Oh ok. Thanks for clearing up that matter.

Did you also know our PLANET has also been what's called SNOWBALL EARTH before where the entire place was covered in ICE except for a very small area located at the EQUATOR area???

BBC - Earth - Earth was a frozen Snowball when animals ...

www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150112-did-snowball-earth-make-animals

Jan 12, 2015 · This was "Snowball Earth" – a deep freeze that began around 715 million years ago and held Earth in its icy grip for a good 120 million years. "There are no other comparable glacial periods

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

A lot of the questions you're asking seem to have religious bases. Is that where you're going?

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

I'm pretty much going wherever the person who replies back to me goes (kinda all over the place).

Originally the QUESTION that was asked in the OP also came from a LINK called "30 DEEP PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTIONS," so that's also where it's COMING FROM.

https://www.mantelligence.com/philosophical-questions/#:~:text=%2030%20Deep%20Philosophical%20Questions%20%E2%80%93%20Highly%20thought-provoking,Is%20nature%20moving%20towards%20dissolution%2C%20or...%20More%20

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

Well I'm a realist, stuff may hit us and destroy the earth...Will time exist after we're gone, thats a religious question...

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

OK. So what's the difference between RELIGION and PHILOSOPHY???

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

I'm going back to your original question, does time have a beginning and an end, No...I think things will just keep going..even if Earth is an Ice planet/Desert Planet, with no life left.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

So you're suggesting that the UNIVERSE is INFINITE???

Here's something that someone said who agrees with that opinion:

https://www.quora.com/If-the-universe-came-from-a-multiverse-where-did-the-multiverse-come-from

I believe that our universe is a black hole, inside another universe that is about the same size (in terms of energy/mass) as our universe (it sounds counter intuitive, I know). The difference is that time passes very quickly for us, compared to what happens in the universe "outside". And all the black holes in our universe are new universes, with the same amount of mass and energy as this universe.

In fact, all the energy that is inside each of these sub universes (black holes) consists of particles that ”were once" you, me, the sun and so on. A black hole does not have to wait for us to decay. Anybody that have gone into a black hole will have seen the future heat death of the universe, even though we are sitting here having this conversation. Mass can be both inside a black hole, and here simultaneously due to relativity.

If any particle eventually will end up inside a black hole it already has entered that black hole as seen from within the black hole.

This makes our universe infinite in time, and I find it extremely inspiring.

Personally I like the part of it about how OUR TIME inside of the BLACK HOLE where we're located is DIFFERENT from the TIME that's located OUTSIDE of our LOCATION.

Because it also makes it sound as if we might be a SIMULATION or a copy of something else that's located OUTSIDE of US.

And IF it's our FUTURE SELVES who are located there (who may have also created us in their OWN IMAGE), then perhaps our lives may also be INFINITE as well???

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

Yes I think the universe is infinite. Do I think earth will be here in the far future, no. Do I think the other planets will be here in the far future , no.

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

Ok as soon as I typed that last part, I realized it was a Physics trap:)

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

Perhaps this might help to answer that QUESTION :

Summary:

Philosophy is a big discipline that encompasses many subject matters as opposed to religion that is just considered as one of the subsets of philosophy.

Philosophy does not include the practice of rituals unlike religion.

Compared to philosophy, religion has stronger beliefs and highlights the power of faith.

More items...

Difference Between Philosophy and Religion | Difference Between

www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/religion-miscellaneous/difference-between-philosophy-and-religion/

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

Just curious do you have a degree in anything, physics, religious studies, no judgement...My degree is in Anthropology.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

AA in LIBERAL ARTS

BA in HUMANITIES (CONCENTRATION LITERATURE)

Plus was also a Grad School Drop out who was forced into taking courses for a MULTI-DISCIPLINARY or INTERDISCIPLINARY DEGREE in both LITERATURE and PSYCHOLOGY.

So what's your impression of the SUMERIANS and their TALE about GILGAMESH??

Since the HEBREWS were once also their SLAVES do you agree that the BOOK of GENESIS is pretty much a RIP OFF of what goes on in GILGAMESH???

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

Why don't you tell me without all the science what you want me to believe. Then I'll tell you what I think. Put me on your side?

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

I have NO IDEA what to believe or NOT believe and have NO SIDE.

But the NATIVE AMERICAN CREATION story is also a much more meaningful and POETIC one than that other "HE SAID THIS and HE SAID THAT STUFF" that one finds at the start of the BOOK of GENESIS.

The NATIVE AMERICAN VERSION of CREATION (from a film called: THE LAST of the MOHICANS):

AT the BIRTH of the SUN and his BROTHER the MOON
their MOTHER DIED.

So from her BREASTS he drew forth the STARS,

and threw them into the SKY

to FOREVER remind them of her SOUL.

So WHAT do you THINK or BELIEVE???

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

Stop copying and pasting and just think about it. Be honest.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

I DIDN'T COPY or PASTE that CREATION STORY.

I POSTED it here from MEMORY.

And I HONESTLY don't KNOW what to THINK or know who is right or is NOT right about whatever it is that they THINK about how it all BEGAN or how it will or will not END.

And that's probably also a GOOD THING as well, or else what else would we do if we did have THE ANSWERS to all of our QUESTIONS???

Wouldn't we also tend to get a bit BORED if we had them???

I did also have a NDE experience once that's left me with the impression that DEATH isn't the END of us.

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

Well I'll tell you from my old school wisdom.. Find someone, and something that you want to do. How do I spend my time...Am I happy with what I do..If not change it the fuck up.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

I already found something to do with my time that I like doing. What do you do with your time to pass the time???

Have you done much DIGGING in your PROFESSION?

If so, what's some of the most interesting things that you've DUG UP???

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

read , exercise, I used to be a teacher before Covid.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

Have you done much DIGGING in your PROFESSION?

If so, what's some of the most interesting things that you've DUG UP???

What kinds of courses did you teach???

How long did you teach???

Sorry to hear about how COVID put an end to it.

Hopefully the VACCINES will also help to get you back to work again IF that's what you want.

What are you reading now???

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

I'm going to need 2 things that are personal to continue this conversation. This site is serious about friendship.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

Ok. What do you need???

Just found the topic about males and Tom Cruise in your profile.

Great Stuff!!!

I also think he was his best in EYES WIDE SHUT but is pretty much a ONE TRICK PONY most of the time in other films.

Do you get HBO??? If so, did you see THE NEVERS last night???

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

Whats your favorite drink..Mine is Vodka and club soda.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

Ameretta with ginger ale or some kind of a sweet tasting lemon lime soda.

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

watch Them...Amazon original..hey i'm ridiculously older than you. just to put that out there...49.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

Don't get AMAZON.

Have you seen THE NEVERS???

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[–] tcrum (31585) 4 years ago

I taught phonics to 1st grade.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 4 years ago

Having never had that course, I could probably also use a few phonics lessons as well.

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