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What percentage of the population do you think is genuinely comfortable with the aggressive normalization of LGBT?


Particularly the whole transgender thing. I consider myself pretty socially liberal, and have defended gay rights for years but it’s being pushed so hard now that it’s become distasteful, particularly the gender dysphoria thing. I am 100% science based in my thinking so I understand it from a genetic standpoint, it is obviously real but to expect people to accept this in the mainstream so quickly is just unrealistic and forceful.

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12%.

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+ or - 3% of course 😁

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Surely the answer is a fish.

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I'd heard the Ultimate Answer is 42 but that was from a movie so who knows?

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Or maybe Level 42?

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Sum 41?

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10cc?

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ABC?

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Easy as 1-2-3!
Yes, let's go with this one

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Not aggressive enough, apparently.

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Yes, much more aggression is needed!

Maybe some gay flamethrowers would make the point, we could buy a few cases of queer grenades and a lovely matching set of trans-scimitars

Wait, what was the original question??

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Honestly, I’ve got no idea.

Over the years my company has dealt with tens of thousands of people and in all that time I’ve met one trans person, who is employed by one of my best friends, so out in the real world (far away from social media) I’m not seeing this ‘forceful’ push that is meant to be happening.

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Yeah, I don't see it either

We have some gays and lesbians at work but honestly, nobody cares and it's totally accepted

Like a lot of these social topics it's funny how you'd think there was a war going on when in personal experience nothing is affected

Some girls like girls and some boys like dresses... None of them are paying my mortgage so who cares?
Life goes on

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‘Sunny’ Bournemouth has the 4th largest gay population in the UK, so we’ve got loads of gay friends and even they don’t bang on about equality or representation.

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A lot of this 'social issue' stuff seems to be drummed up on the internet

Through work, family and community I know a hell of a lot of people...I can't recall any hate speech directed at anyone

Most people really do seem pretty calm and well adjusted though there are probably some horror stories

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Maybe we just have nice friends.

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I want a queer grenade!!! I can't imagine a queer grenade without glitter!!

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Confetti comes out too!

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Excellent! I'm sold

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Oh, they are fabulous🎉lol

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69%

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Is that really a legitimate argument to deny a human basic respect and dignity because most people don't understand it? Trans people face structural inequalities in employment and healthcare and those should be legitimately addressed and solved. This is always the problem at first for any marginalized group. There will also be a nasty reaction that hates the idea of change or having to be aware of someone different from themselves. The answer to that is push forward. And when we talk about science it doesn't have to be used so literally as genetics, chemistry, or physics, but rather as a methodology that is evidence-based, rational, reasoned, and informed. We should be aware how this talk of "science" has been historically weaponized against marginalized groups to rationalize and also naturalize their unequal status. And we should be cognizant of what is science and what is intuition (that can be informed by unaware biases and cultural attitudes).

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I agree with all of that, but I’m referring to the social side of it exclusively which is the most vocal arm of the movement.

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The fact that you hear about it is them finally breaking into the public/popular conversation in the country. In a perfect world they would bring their legitimate concerns to their elected officials and their elected officials would address them. However, the world is filled with hate and when trans people do what is constitutionally guaranteed to them they are instead thrown out, called mentally ill, offending religious sensibility, too radical, and viewed as forcing their "world view" unto others. All of this is absolutely nonsense. If we are scientific and the evidence demonstrates discrimination and other such inequalities exist than we should accept that fact and address it like adults. The issue is the irrational backlash from people who are made aware of another group of people that are different and hardly represented politically or socially. The problem is not trans people but people who refuse to give up their unfounded bigoted views of trans people. This perception materializes into institutional/structural/legal/and social inequality and underrepresentation. To fight for equality is to fight for their recognition to address the issues they face. That's always going to cause animosity because most people simply do not like to admit or be told they are wrong. They mistake bigotry for facts and truth (that's what I was always told so it's true! This didn't "exist" when I was growing up!). Social movements HAVE to be vocal because cultural attitudes and institutional inequality have made it seem the prejudice and inequality that exist is right and natural.

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Fair enough, I can agree w that. Are you part of the community? This sounds close to home for you, to be so well versed in the movement.

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I'm gay and I appreciate you hearing me out.

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Anytime, I’m always open to intelligent discussion and that was very informative. Cheers!

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The trouble with it is that the fringe wants to be treated as though it's the mainstream. But they aren't the mainstream and they never will be so it's an unrealistic goal.

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Like all "Equal rights" groups what they really want is special rights and privileges. And I agree they will never be mainstream and you even see the LGBTIQA fight among each other because they too "diverse" now you also have Feminists up in arms because they don't like the idea of men becoming women being able to tick those magical privilege boxes either.

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Exactly so. The idea that men who become transgender "women" should have the "right" to use female toilets ( no matter how uncomfortable that makes women and girls ) because these transgender "women" insist that it's their "right" to do so.


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Or they get to play sports against women even though they are much stronger due to the testosterone levels. In Australia there is a women's Aussie football league, Aussie rules is very fast and aggressive played without any padding. There is a trans woman who wants to play against the women "she" is built like a tank I really don't see how your average woman is going to be able to tackle "her".

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/womens-afl/transgender-footballer-hannah-mouncey-has-been-blocked-from-playing-aflw/news-story/fda4b59ae5bf5b10660a6247c6dd9722

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Yes that's a classic case of transgender "rights" being regarded as more important than the physical safety of the female football players. These people are nuts and they need to be put back in their box.


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Due to the safe schools program doctors have reported more children reporting as transgender too. They are being influenced.

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There is a reason that all of this stuff was repressed and it wasn't just prejudice or being mean. Children need to be sheltered and cordoned off from these things while they are growing up.


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Bingo

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A lot in America. I was there for the entire month of June (aka pride month) and the normalisation and celebration of gay rights to me was really strange for what I used to think was a conservative country only 10 years prior.

Once those flags go on landmarks (public property), hotels and all shopfronts seemed to have a pride display with pride merchandise, there doesn’t seem to be any pushback.

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It's all a slow creep to normalize pedophilia.

Always has been.

The world is run by kiddie-diddlers.

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Lol how did we get here from my OP?

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The person forgot that the biggest pedo ring among the powerful was coordinated by a heterosexual couple so one of them could rape little girls.

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Except that homosexuals are over-represented in child sex offenses. Try again though.

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Yikes. You actually have to cite evidence to back that up, but nice try. Not all of us are uncritical.

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http://lanternproject.org.uk/library/general/articles-and-information-about-sexual-abuse-and-its-impact/homosexuality-and-child-sexual-abuse/

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Lol. One article on the internet? Yikes you really do have a pea brain. I guess I'll have to inform you but that's clearly not an academic source. Not to mention you didn't look into that enough because the man was or is still a staff member of the Family Research Council-- a group that believes natural disasters are divine punishment from God because of tolerance of LGBT people. Let's not forget Josh Duggar, a child rapist of several little girls, was also staff there. Yikes!

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Yes one article that cites MULTIPLE studies from ACADEMIC SOURCES. I am sure I could find many others to support the same findings but I think you are so biased and irrational that it wouldn´t matter anyway. The man´s religious opinions,(whatever they may be) on other issues does not make his academic sources untrue. What a terrible argument. Yikes! Btw, Ad Hominem attacks are really indicative that you basically have no argument nor self-control. You lash out because the truth hurts.

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It's research that is 30-50 years old written at a time when stigma of homosexuality exist. Remember in the 80s when a virus could tell the difference between whether or not a human being fell under human constructs of homosexuality or heterosexuality. No you can't find any sources otherwise you wouldn't have to rely on a no-name website and organization to rationalize your hatred of gay people. You being ignorant of cultural, social, and historical context along with poorly identifying what is and is not a reputable source does not make it true. And yes being associated with an organization that believes hurricanes, earthquakes, tornados, etc are divine punishment for letting LGBT people exist is telling of the type of person you are.

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You say there is anti-gay bias in these studies but you don´t mention the bias that also exists to protect the sensitivities of the gay community. Many studies automatically exclude men who perform homosexual acts on boys as being homosexuals because the child is not an adult. These very same studies, however do not do the same for male heterosexuals who abuse underage girls. Heterosexuals somehow never lose their "identity" of being straight when they abuse children but the opposite happens for homosexuals. This is a glaring inconsistency which appears to happen because of politically sensitive reasons.

Look at this example from one researcher: "Although nonspecialists correctly use the word pedophile, that is, to be without regard for whether male or female children are targeted, the colloquial use of the word homosexual refers to homosexual teleiophiles and not homosexual pedophiles." (A homosexual teleiophile is someone that is only attracted to adult men). This researcher took it upon himself to define what the colloquial definition of a homosexual is, without citing any sources, based on his own biased opinion.

Can you see the problem with the definition here? According to this researcher, a homosexual man is no longer identified as homosexual if he has an attraction to a 15 year old boy. I am sorry but if you define yourself as homosexual and you decide to broaden your interest to underage males, you don´t suddenly lose your attraction to the same sex. This is an absurd notion.

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You didn’t expect the usual suspects to take the opportunity to spew out the same hate filled misinformation they always do when you created this thread?

That was naive of you.

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I hope you are not including me in that group.

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I don’t care what you hope Slater.

Yes, since you felt compelled to perpetuate the lie that homosexuals are over-represented in child abuse statistics, I am most certainly including you.

You’re a big religious boy aren’t you? Let’s talk about child abuse statistics for catholic priests who don’t identify as homosexual. Or is it uncomfortable for you to admit that he church has been responsible for crimes against children for years and have actively covered it up and shuffled offenders around so they can continue on their merry way.

Nah blame the fags.

Fuck you. Fuck you to hell.

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Religion has nothing to do with it, and its not a lie, I simply stated a fact. Its not my fault you find facts offensive. Over 99% of convicted paedophiles are men. Homosexuals account for 1-3% of the population yet boys are victims in over 30% of crimes against children. That is a massive over-representation, no matter what way you slice it.

Moreover, I am not a Catholic, I renounced Catholicism 20 years ago and I think the vast majority of Catholics are not born again Christians anyway, so I have zero problem with admitting that there is a massive homosexuality/paedophile issue in the Catholic Church. That said, I have no bias towards Protestant churches either, there are many false preachers and false converts that have infiltrated churches across the board.

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So about 70% of victims are female. If you stand by your assertion that gay males are over represented then it follows that they also must be responsible for this vast majority of crimes against little girls too, right?

Also since you’re so fond of percentages, please tell me the percentage of male abusers that identify as homosexual (definition, a male who is sexually attracted to other adult males)? You know as well as I do that they are usually closet cases, often married and known to the victim’s family.

Your agenda is disgusting and I don’t wish to communicate with someone who would infer child abuse is mainly a gay male thing. You are wrong and I hope it bites you on the arse one day.

Nothing more to say to you.

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" You know as well as I do that they are usually closet cases, often married and known to the victim’s family."

I don´t think that is very good statistical data. I have an agenda because I stated a fact? I was merely debunking Moosewrangler´s poor anecdotal argument. I have two gay people in my family that I love dearly but go ahead making assumptions about me to make yourself feel better.

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Tell those you love dearly that they are statistically more likely to be child molesters then. I feel sorry for them to have a relation like you.

Again, fuck you and fuck this right wing circle jerk of a forum.

I’m gone.

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Btw, If they are "married closet cases" that means they aren't straight.

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I think about 50% of people are just "going with the flow" on LGBT matters and are uncomfortable with the current state (socially, politically, culturally) of how LGBT affairs are presented, but don't want to speak out about it because they'll be shouted down as bigots or whatever as it's just become something that people use bludgeon people over the head to prove to others how pro-LGBT they are. I think it's weird and prevents any actual discussion, the other side is just as bad at shouting peopel down but since they aren't supported by big, powerful institutions they aren't as vocal about it. Of course I'd rather have the pro side have more power than the anti side, since the anti side seeks to actively oppress the other, but I think in the West we've become too willing to appease cry-bullies the second they claim to be the victim at the expense of wider society for decades now.

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just admit that you want my veiny olympian inside of you, already.

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Veiny Olympian. Haha, haven't heard that one before.

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