Now that Trump is already trying to advance society by creating a space force branch of the military. Perhaps humans will one day learn the secret to interstellar travel. If so what do you think the other life forms will look like? Or maybe we're getting ahead of ourselves. Perhaps we should first learn to colonize other planets within our own solar system. Terraforming Mars will be the closest thing to achieving Godhood and its already the closest and most earthlike planet there is.
I have no doubt of it...we cant be all there is (it would be a ridiculous, cosmic joke if this is all there is!)
Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter has water and an atmosphere...imo there is NO way that humans are it...
i think this is likely the right answer.
given the incomprehensible numbers in play, it's likely the case that the universe is teeming with life. not teeming in the sense that it's common to every solar system - we can't know that. but it's highly possible that there tons & tons of planets in the goldilocks spot, and that lots & lots of them have life in some form.
but it may, probably will remain inaccessible to us.
if there is or was life on mars or europa, & we find evidence of that, then i think that has to go 99% of the way to establishing that life in some form is almost certainly common.
none of that means that it will be life with any kind of consciousness. and even if it's life with consciousness, it may not be consciousness with enough intelligence to create the kind of technology that can communicate with life on other planets.
for all the 100s of millions of years that we've had complex, multi-cellular life-forms on this planet, only one species has evolved the kind of intelligence that can do that. it's possible that, even with a universe filled with life, that kind of intelligence could be a one-off.
MIchiganJFrogg that is EXACTLY what I was going to write - both parts , the distinguishing of the 2 questions , and the massive distances.
I might also have added I do think its out there , due to the inconceivably unimaginably huge amount of stars.
If humans live survive long enough, I think the possibility is there. Who knows what sort of technology there will be in 500 years. I don't think that it will happen in my lifetime, but I can't say no. Although, I highly doubt we will survive.
Interesting point of view. I am very pessimistic about human life too and also being able to find life on other planets.
We have to survive long enought to actually start looking for life (I don't mean waste of time missions like going to Mars).
I see two possibilities for future.
1. We kill each other and then life starts all over again. This seems kinda where we are heading today.
2. We have two societies where those that have will rule those who don't have anything from a near distant (similar to that Jodie Foster movie Elysium).
It doesn't make sense that the earth is the only planet with life in the entire universe. I doubt that we will discover life on other planets anytime soon. There have been plenty of movies made about life on other planets. There is an interest, but most of it is fantasy.
There are two elements at play that make this unlikely: Not just the vastness of space, but also the vastness of time.
Finding its location is only one hurdle. Whether or not it exists "right now" is the second problem, and I can't call that a hurdle because you can't overcome being in the wrong time.
It's a common view that extraterrestrial life is probably pretty common... but higher life forms, including intelligent life forms are probably pretty rare.
Life has existed on earth for about 3.8 billion years. Intelligent life -- assuming that we are the most intelligent species on this planet -- has only been around for a few hundred thousand years. And we're likely going to be extinct within a few centuries, probably at our own hand. Even if we survive longer, a natural disaster is likely to finish us if we don't get off this planet. As percentage of total time in the history of this world, that's just 0.002 %.
There may be millions and millions of worlds with intelligent life, but they flicker into existence and die out before a new one comes along in that part of the universe. The vast timescales and distances mean that these civilizations will never encounter each other.
Then you get into the whole question of: What is intelligence? We tend to define it in terms of our own psychology, but now we're coming to realize that intelligence can be defined in many ways. Corvids, primates, octopii, marine mammals... we've come to define all of them as intelligent in some ways. But how many of them have an understanding of the broader physical universe?
Similarly, on some alien world, the intelligent lifeform may be some sort of moss growing on rocks, some sort of fish swimming in a chemical ocean, the lighter-than-air jellyfish gas bags floating along in the atmosphere... They may have no concept of space, or even care about it, if they do. We could literally land on the planet and walk among them and not recognize them for what they are.
So, I think we'll find primitive life within our very own solar system, but I doubt we'll ever encounter the aliens of science fiction and The X-Files.
WOW. What a great thread and intelligent answers. Don't see that to often on message boards.
That being said in our lifetimes I highly doubt we will find anything. And as someone said I don't think the human race will survive long enough to find anything.
It's humbling... even a little depressing... to dwell on the question. For example, we've only developed the means to broadcast our presence in the last century. The sphere of our expanding signals has only passed about 512 stars in total... compared to 200 BILLION in just our galaxy. That doesn't even register as a percentage it's so small.
Subtract the stars that for various reasons wouldn't be home to compatible planets, and it would be incredible indeed if any other civilizations existed out there and detected us. After a few centuries, our signals would be dispersed among 260000 stars... still only a FRACTION OF A PERCENT of all the stars in our galaxy.
And, what if these signals were passing dozens of planets with civilizations... except that they are living in the equivalent of our Middle Ages? Neither of us would know about the other, and we could be gone by the time they become mature enough to announce their own presence to the cosmos.
Or go the reverse route... a civilization that is so far beyond ours in its knowledge and technology that they can't even be bothered trying to communicate with us. They are trying to find other ancient civilizations like their own with signals that are passing over us/through us/around us, and we are completely oblivious to them.
I think the coolest/scariest/most awe-inspiring thing that could happen to mankind is to land on Mars... and discover one single ancient alien artifact. No explanation, no plaque, no 2001-style beacon... just a simple artifact that tells us that someone sometime in the past paid us a visit.
By primitive life, I'm talking VERY primitive... like virus-level primitive, maybe -- if we're lucky -- single-cell stuff.
Life here on Earth exists within some extreme temperature and environmental variations and there's no reason to expect otherwise elsewhere in our solar system. And, you inadvertently qualified your statement with 'life *as we know it* -- life elsewhere will have evolved in very different chemistries than life here on earth. Indeed, when life first started on earth, it was effectively an alien world with a very different atmosphere and temperatures.
Most exo-biologists are pretty confident we'll find something within our own solar system.
Not as goofy an idea as some would think. The sheer distances and timescales make it very unlikely we have extraterrestrial spacecraft visiting us for reasons I mentioned earlier in this thread.
I think it was Carl Sagan who estimated that the logistics needed by an alien race to send out a big enough fleet of spacecraft to explore other worlds in the hopes of finding other inhabited worlds would be physically impossible to assemble, i.e. requiring the raw materials of more than a solar system itself. (Sadly, this means Star Trek will only ever be a bit of entertaining fiction...)
In fact, it would be 'easier' to explain them as time machines from our own future for reasons too lengthy to to into here. It introduces a whole new set of pretty big problems, but it's still a fascinating concept to think about.
It introduces a whole new set of pretty big problems
But when automobiles and planes were first introduced there were a whole new set of pretty big problems. But we over came them. Who's to say advanced civilizations could not overcome any problems that arise?
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"Surely a bigger problem is the huge distances meaning it would take thousands of years"
You've somewhat answered your own question. The distance and time things are related...
(For my answer, I'm going to ignore stuff like FTL travel, worm hole tunneling and other speculative physics or technological concepts.)
Within 200 light years of earth... which wouldn't even register as a spec of flysh*t on the scale of our galaxy... there are a quarter of a million stars. If you are an advanced civilization, do you:
i. Build a fleet of 250,000 starships or interstellar probes and send them off to each star system to check them out for planets and possible life?
ii. Build a lesser amount -- say, just 1000 of them -- and wait patiently for thousands of years for each of them to reach and fully explore 250 solar systems each?
I've simplified the scenario, but you get the idea. Sagan (or whoever it was) suggested that choice i. was logistically impossible. And, this number only gets exponentially higher, the bigger the 'sphere' of stars from your home world that you want to explore.
Choice ii. simply takes too long, even if we were to be generous and assume that they could travel at light speeds. Whole centuries would pass before you heard back from the first wave of interstellar starships.
Our advanced civilization could choose to ignore certain star systems based on research showing that they likely wouldn't have life of the type that they were looking for. For example, if we were to focus solely on stars that closely match our sun, there are about 32 of them within 50 light-years of earth. There would be 2000 solar analogs within 200 light years of earth.
That's certainly better than 250,000, but it would still require a huge fleet of starships/probes. And a lot of time to hear back from them.