"We need to evolve from the bipartisan politics to direct democracy using the internet. The future is now. United States of North America is our future. Borders are man made and they keep on changing."
What do you think of this?
It seems like it is a quote.
shareYes but what do you think of this idea?
shareWhat is "This idea"?
shareNAFTA is implemented. Amero is the new currency of North America. United States of North America, a merger/conglomerate of former United States, former Mexico and former Canada. No more bipartisan bs in politics. People elect their politicians via internet voting, and they keep on changing every other week/month/year. Anyone can become a politician. Perhaps technocratic candidates eligible only to weed off people like Trump or Hillary's daughter in office. No more corruption. I'd go further and eliminate all poverty in a post-scarcity economy proposed as resource based economy. Universal Basic Income. No more taxes. Individual property stays. And so on.
shareOh right, conspiracy crank stuff. Yeah, I read about it all 20 years ago.
You think it's about time to become a reality do you?
Conspiracy Crank stuff? Say that to George Washington and co when they proposed USA in pre-1776 period. Ideas become reality. We need new ideas. I am not against Nafta and Amero. I am FOR it.
shareGood for you champ!
I hope it happens with your help 👍
YW.
Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which people decide on policy initiatives directly. This differs from the majority of most currently established democracies, which are representative democracies
In the New England region of the United States, towns in areas such as Vermont decide local affairs through the direct democratic process of the town meeting. This is the oldest form of direct democracy in the United States, and predates the founding of the country by at least a century.
Electronic direct democracy (EDD), also known as direct digital democracy (DDD), is a form of direct democracy which utilizes telecommunications to facilitate public participation. Electronic direct democracy is sometimes referred to by other names, such as open-source governance and collaborative governance.
EDD requires electronic voting or some way to register votes on issues electronically. As in any direct democracy, in an EDD, citizens would have the right to vote on legislation, author new legislation, and recall representatives (if any representatives are preserved).
Technology for supporting ED. has been researched and developed at the Florida Institute of Technology, where the technology is used with student organizations. Numerous other software development projects are underway, along with many supporting and related projects. Several of these projects are now collaborating on a cross-platform architecture, under the umbrella of the Metagovernment project.
https://participedia.net/organizations/e2d-international
to help establish, to support and promote, and to maintain communication and co-operation between politically-neutral electronic direct democracy parties around the world.
Signatory Parties
Aktiv Demokrati, Sweden (national): http://aktivdemokrati.se/
Citizens for Direct Democracy, Belgium (national): http://www.directdemocracy.be
Demoex in Vallentuna, Sweden (local): http://demoex.net/en
Online Party of Canada (national): http://www.onlineparty.ca/
Online Party of Romania, Romania (national): http://www.votdirect.ro
OURNZ Party, New Zealand (national): http://www.ournz.net.nz
Senator Online, Australia (national): http://senatoronline.org.au/
Svojpolitik.si, Slovenia (national): http://Svojpolitik.si
The Direct Party, Israel (National): http://hayeshira.co.il/
...and many more to come.
Convened Parties
Partido De Internet, Spain (national): http://www.partidodeinternet.es/
Party of Internet Democracy, Hungary (national): http://ide-ide.hu//
Sounds cool!
Seems like it's also not transparent enough and open to being exploited but I'm sure they'll sort all of that stuff out at some point.
Yes. We'll also need to keep Mexico area in check for the next 100-200 years because some of the stuff that goes on there is harrowing. Just watched a horrific video from Mexico. Hope there is hell for such criminals who do such things. I am out for the day. Combat vet and firefighter here. I've seen some s***. None of that s*** prepared me for that video. Killing someone is one thing. That s***, though. I need a drink.
shareNo to a US of NA. The interests of the current USA are not the same as the interests of Mexico or Canada. Further, complete democracy will lead to mob rule. Things would change for the better if it were not just the two party system. The trouble is corruption undoes anything worthwhile over time. Both major parties are bought and paid for by interests that are not best for the US. It will never happen but federal money should be made available to other parties so it is not a coin toss between Democrats and Republicans. The only problem there is people have to use their brains so nut jobs don't get into many major offices. It was a total failure of the system to let it come to Trump vs Clinton for 2016.
share"complete democracy will lead to mob rule."
Do you think elitist representatives that are mostly corrupt have anything in mind other than getting richer and more popular? It's an ego fest, and the poor and the downtrodden suffer. More sophisticated countries like Switzerland have implemented direct democracy and it is quite successful.
Politics of Switzerland. Switzerland is a semi-direct democratic federal republic. The federal legislative power is vested in the two chambers of the Federal Assembly, the National Council and the Council of States. ... The Economist Intelligence Unit has rated Switzerland as "full democracy" in 2016. Although it is very capitalist, Switzerland boasts many of the advantages that socialist Scandinavian states are supposed to claim exclusively. Switzerland's unemployment rate is just 4.5 percent, which is one of the lowest rates in the world. The country's poverty rate is similarly low.
Apples and oranges in my mind. Not a significant difference in terms of mindset for the "minorities" in Switzerland which are French and Italian. It is pretty much Switzerland first when asking any citizen there about priorities. Addressing the regional aspect you propose I think you would find great resistance by many not a part of the current US when they started looking at the details. Canada and Mexico have greatly benefitted from the Monroe Doctrine in that they have historically put out a tiny percentage for defense annually compared to the US and now you propose they need to kick into that being taxpayers in the same system? No way that flies in Toronto, Montreal or Mexico City. Even as radical as Trump has talked I have not heard him say anything about passing a collection plate to pay for defense systems that as much directly benefit Canada and Mexico as well as the directly intended US.
shareMonroe Doctrine has also prevented Mexico from becoming a first world country, for without European intervention, USA itself would still be ruled by the Mohicans. As for tax payer system, it is outdated and is not needed in a post-scarcity future where money is a thing of the past (see bitcoin and altcoins for example). I guess you need to evolve and stop being stuck, mentally, in the 20th Century.
shareYou do understand what "Post-Scarcity" means don't you?
Until we can make food and everything else we need out of nothing we are scarce.
Unless you mean culling the population - which I don't think will go down so well with many.
Businesses deliberately make their products scarce, like Oil rich countries stop pumping out oil, so that the prices go up, for more profit. In a perfect world there would be no deliberate scarcity, nor would there be planned obsolescence, and so on; all bad practices of profit seeking businesses who follow no ethics
shareNonsense. Corruption that predates the drug cartels has held Mexico back. Your Utopian sense of communism would not play well with the top of society which includes Bill Gates among others. He may give quite a bit away via charity but the point for him and others is that it boils down to a game where he can give far more away than most others in society and it is his choice therefore his power as to what goes where. The power brokers in any system are the ones who will resist change the most. So it really not a matter of me as I could adapt to change far more easily than quite a few which would include you. I could adapt to a system where money is created independent of economic contribution by an individual but that would never fly with the financial elites in this country including Gates, Buffett, the Clintons and other Democrats never mind the C Monty Burns' such as Trump.
shareWhy is Jesus so beloved? He cared for the poor and ordinary people. None of these people you mentioned matter. Only those people matter who work for ordinary people. Ultimately, people like Jesus will be remembered forever. These materialists don't understand that money won't buy them one minute out of hell. All of their money won't prevent their death.
shareWhat does any of that have to do with solving a problem of this world which you were concerned with initially? Jesus' concern is with the final destination of a person's soul. What happens in this world is of minimal importance as evidenced by the statement " that the poor (of this world) will always be amongst us." Which is to say there will always be economic systems that will disadvantage people and those economic systems will be the creation of mortal beings.
share"Which is to say there will always be economic systems that will disadvantage people and those economic systems will be the creation of mortal beings."
Losing all hope was freedom. *sigh*
Huh? Jesus did not say that for people to feel hopeless. Instead he wanted people to know the realities of living with other humans and that is a temporary condition when the blessed eternity of heaven is factored in. There will be struggle in this life but there will be rewards in the next life if you live by God's principles.
shareJesus died a terrible death and we have no proof of afterlife.
shareWe have no proof that there is NOT an afterlife, too. I think that perhaps one point of Christ dying on the cross is that no matter how bad it gets in this world that as long as you live by God's word your suffering is only temporary and eternal peace is awaiting you upon death.
shareLife was good for me before i existed tbqh - when i did not exist
shareHai Ben.
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I think it's a really stupid idea, and a pipe dream. We would then have mob rule. It will never happen.
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It's just an effort by you Liberals to obtain your "Socialist Utopia" where the government CONTROLS every aspect of our lives, and we are all forced to be the same. Hence there will be no individual liberty. It's a really STUPID idea, and it will never happen, and would never work because it goes against basic human nature.
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How ignorant can you be??
Nobody is forced to be anything in America. You are free to be whatever you want to be. That's why it's the greatest country in the world, and it's the country that everyone wants to come to.
And where did you get the ridiculous idea that if you're not white, you have no rights? That's ignorant and insane. Our previous President for EIGHT YEARS was Black, so how can you say that? You are either woefully ignorant, or a Troll. Are there racial problems? Of course. But I defy you to name a country where there is no racism. You can't do it, because it does not exist.
In the past there may have been persecution, but that is the past. And there is persecution TODAY of Christians by Muslims. There is even persecution of Muslims by Muslims. The chief killer of Muslims, is Muslims. Muslims also practice slavery. We do not do that.
You're an ignorant troll!
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You are an ignorant fool and obviously a Libtard! Go squat on a fence post! And BTW, if this is not the greatest country in the world, you name me a better one, you moron!
And BTW, I didn't say anything about Christianity or Christ. I just mentioned that Muslims persecute Christians and I forgot to mention that they also persecute Jews, and just about anyone else. And yet they're allowed to live here in the greatest country in the world even though some of them are terrorist scum.
You are MAJOR LEAGUE STUPID!
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Nobody likes a snitch, you asshole!
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You do it constantly yourself, mm; practice what you preach.
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Not constantly, only occasionally when it's richly deserved.
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Interesting discussion vis a vis a new country formed from an amalgamated US/Canada/Mexico.
There's a graphic novel series out of Canada called USNA:The United States of North America. It imagines a country formed by the union of the US and Canada. The two governments are dissolved and ruling councils of politicians, military and business leaders are formed to govern various jurisdictions. USNA also has a rebellion stirring because the new country is much different than the one promised. It's an interesting read. http://www.usna.ca