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Could you ever disown your kids?


or call it what you want, just break off ties and move on from them?

I ask this because I've watched several episodes of this A&E channel show (at least I think it was on the A&E channel) called Intervention. They'll follow some drug addicted person around and let you see their life, what they do, how it is and at the end the family will have an intervention. Usually the person will be combative but ultimately go to rehab treatment. Most will relapse, some leave early and go back to how they were, some will stay for the entire thing and at least at the end of the show be clean (which may be for a few months.

Anyway, some of the stuff these people are do is pretty vile. Usually some relative will enable them by letting them live with them and they'll give them money. Anyway, these people are awful, cuss out their loved ones, Steal from them from within their homes, some even do prostitution to get money for drugs, they'll abandon their own children, one dummy let the drug addicted person live at their home and they were bringing in prostitution tricks into the home and the person who lived their had children.

When I watch this, I wonder if this were my own kids doing it if I'd maintain a relationship with them or just walk away. I definitely feel I'd not be an enabler. I feel I'd kick them out and let them reap the rewards of their own actions, I wouldn't be supporting them.

Plus most of the time they relapse. Once they get into this very rarely do they ever get all the way free again. Maybe for a while but they seem to always go back to the drugs.

Anyway, how do you feel about it? Do you think you'd keep any ongoing relationship with them no matter what? If they keep stealing from you, if your child was going into the streets and selling themselves for drugs would you maintain a constant relationship or just walk away because you can't stand what they've become?

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There is a certain point where you just would have to let them go. It is kind of like a car you have a had for a long time. When the expenses outweigh what it is worth, it is time to move on.

You have spent all this time, invested in them, and they decide not to change. It is not your fault and by the time they grow to a certain age, they should be well aware of what they are getting themselves into.

Then again, I am 27 years old and I am still supported somewhat by my parents. It was mostly because they bought me a house, when I moved out of state for college. The dependency on them for financial security is what I really need, especially to pay the mortgage and property tax. If they disowned me, I would be on the streets, literally.

Now days, even if one does not part take in substance abuse; they still come out on the bottom just due to job situations and not having some essential "skills" needed to get a livable wage job.

What is a difference between a person with a substance abuse problem, a college graduate, and a criminal? They can all be unemployable at some point.

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Well,i know examples with kids living with their parents ( not my case ),because they can't sustein on they own.

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It's a real problem. Not being able to be financially independent is as bad as a substance problem.

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In my country is now a common thing,it's no surprise to anyone .

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In your country it is common for parents to disown their kids or for young adults to not move on and make their own way and get jobs in their 20's? What country is that?

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I would actually think it wrong to disown a kid for not being able to be financially independent. I mean the only reason I would is if my kid did not at least make an effort to find a job. I see how hard it is on my parents when I feel like I still need their support. Then again, I would wonder what other things they would need to use that money for anyway.

Many of the parents around me, let's say they disowned their kids; use their money to buy cars and other bull crap. If I had extra money to throw around, assuming my retirement savings were taken care of; I probably would continue to help support my kids until my death.

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Well,arvin ,many parents still need their childrens help,especially in country-side regions.

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In poorer countries, that is kind of what tends to happen and it is not a bad idea.

Even Native Americans did that (technically, they never had currency back then); however, you stay with your family as long as you want and help out. If my kids helped make side money to help me out, I would probably still support them. Hey, at least they are contributing back and not being a total leech.

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It's a rare thing,trust me,i know😉

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Rare, as in being unemployed, or being financially independent?

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Rare,as,being financially independent,support yourself and aid your family in the same time.

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It would be. You would have to be so financially well off that you could help your family, who should actually be more financially well of than you.

Think about that for a second.

You were raised by your family and somehow, you end up being more well off than them, in less time, and so then are able to help them out.

Sounds like you are what they call a hero croft! Way to go!

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But sometimes it's not enough.You know that you can be better,but you
can't,whatever you try

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Hey, if you are able to sustain yourself, something of which a large portion of the people in the world cannot do; I would say you are doing the right thing. Anything else you can do is a bonus!

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Thank you,i try my best to help.

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https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/58aeff02be56fd001151fa4f/Things-That-Need-To-Be-Added

Any suggestions you want to add to this thread? It seems like some of the things were addressed. Your thoughts?

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I don't know...many of the things has been said already and anyway i'm with Lara now,so it's hard to concentrate,i get back to you when i have an idea😉

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It'a small country in eastern europe called Romania.

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Your parents should just let you go. Lol

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They may actually.

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It's a sad thing to say, but at a certain point I would if my child chose drugs or alcohol over getting better. It would be hard, but harder to watch.

I have another scenario for you. Our son is gay. He's a great guy, has a great job and has supported himself since graduation. He is now 37 years old and he and his life partner of 16 years finally exchanged marriage vows last September. We are very happy for them and so glad to officially have another member of our family.
What is sad is that several of their gay friends have been completely cut off from their parents once they came out. i can't understand this. Are they any different than they were when you "loved" them?
I find it terribly cruel and so sad. We can't imagine cutting off all ties from our son and for what? Simply because of his sexual orientation? We are just glad that he's happy and has someone to love and be loved by someone special. There are people, gay and straight, in this world who don't always find that. That is when you need the love of your family the most.
OK. I'm done.

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Unless there was some kind of ROI in being married heterosexually than being married homosexually, no. I think heterosexual marriages are by far the most expensive. Since you may be hosting a gay wedding, I would wonder how much different it would be. Are gay males just as materialistic as females (and I do not mean to just lump all females as being materialistic)?

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Oh. Are you talking about the wedding or the marriage?And what isROI?
Weddings can be expensive, middle of the road, shoe string budget or a quick trip to the courthouse. It just depends on what your situation is.

Our son's was middle of the road. A nice civic center with my son's school chum officiating. She has been marrying friends and family for years. It was a nice ceremony with family and close friends
followed by a dinner there at the center.

By materialistic, I don't think it matters if you're gay or straight. I think it depends on the people involved and what a couple's background is and what your goals in life are. Our son and son-in-law have wanted to be allowed to marry for many years now. It's about time the laws were changed!
they kept costs modest because they want to save to buy a home instead of renting the apartment they've had for the past 14 years.
As for materialistic women, It aint me! My husband and I made the trip to the courthouse because we also wanted the house instead of the debts of a wedding.
It isn't the wedding. It's what comes after that is important. We're going strong after 39 years

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ROI = rate of investment

So if the parents of the gay friends thought that it was going to cost them more for whatever reason, they may have wanted to justify their disowning due to that.

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"So if the parents of the gay friends thought that it was going to cost them more for whatever reason, they may have wanted to justify their disowning due to that."

You seem to have missed the point! I brought up our son and the wedding simply to explain that we, his parents love him. We could never cut him out of our lives the way that some parents do.
There are actually parents who can't deal with homosexuality!
I'm sorry if I didn't make the whole thing clear enough for you.
Are you messing with me?

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No I was explaining to you what ROI meant!

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"No I was explaining to you what ROI meant!"


No. You were trying to be annoying by acting as though you didn't understand that I was talking about how parents cut people out of their lives.

Are you always here just to amuse yourself or are you really so dense as you come off?

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O_o

Okay...

How did you know what I was trying to be?

You even asked me what ROI meant...

Someone got cranky over the last few hours...

Just cool down and I will resume discussion with you tomorrow. :)

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Try not to discuss anything with me.
Just find others to annoy.

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No I was explaining to you what ROI meant!

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Congratulations on your son's marriage! I am so happy that everyone who wants to get married now, can do so.

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"Congratulations on your son's marriage! I am so happy that everyone who wants to get married now, can do so."

Thank you for the best wishes. I just can't imagine being told that it's against the law to marry the one I love.

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It's not really against the law; although, in some countries, arranged marriages are of the taking. Now days too many people are divorcing and lots of money is lost. Arranged marriages, the ones that work out at least, have the best rate of success and little financial is lost.

Wouldn't you marry someone knowing that financially you were well off? You cannot possibly choose emotion over survival.

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It's all about money with you.
It WAS against the law for gay people to be legally married. The laws recently changed in our state only a few years ago.


"Wouldn't you marry someone knowing that financially you were well off? You cannot possibly choose emotion over survival."

Some may marry for money. That doesn't always work out well.
Most smart couples make sure they have good jobs and steady income before they tie the knot. There's always the possibility that they may lose those jobs and the good income.
Life happens. You have kids, expenses.... It's HOW those couples deal with the setbacks that shows just how strong a union they have.

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Now you're getting what I am typing. Money is a HUGE problem.

It's not about the jobs one carries now days because job security is not as good as it use to be. Even getting a job now, could leave you jobless by tomorrow.

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"There's always the possibility that they may lose those jobs and the good income."


Isn't that what I just said? I can't believe I'm quoting myself....

There are other problems in life. Money is good to have. No doubt about that.
Money seems to be a HUGE problem with you.

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And so I just thought that it may have been different for gay couples to get married because of this. Usually parents hate to foot the bill for anything not a common expense or within a margin of what they usually would have to pay for, a normal marriage (heterosexual).

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Why would it be any different for gays than than it is with couples who are straight?

"And so I just thought that it may have been different for gay couples to get married because of this. Usually parents hate to foot the bill for anything not a common expense or within a margin of what they usually would have to pay for, a normal marriage (heterosexual)."

Most parents don't "foot the bill" these days. Most couples I know, gay or straight, pay for thier own weddings.

Since you feel that a "normal" marriage is heterosexual, I will end my conversation with you right here. I may get "cranky" again!

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That's what I would have no clue about. But then you told me that parents are reluctant to foot the bill or even "own" their kids because of something as little as homosexuality.

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I never said that parents are reluctant to foot the bill for the weddings. YOU said that.

There are parent who turn their backs on their children because of their sexuality. That's what I meant.
Got it, Einstein?

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No, I admit that I did say that and that is why I wanted to know if that could be a reason.

Your second statement was obvious, as I knew that. I just thought there might have been more and no, it was not easy to decipher because like I said, I THOUGHT THERE WAS MORE TO IT! Not even you could give me the answer, until I had to clarify it like three times. At one point, you thought I was directly insulting you. LOL

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You insult many people. I have noticed that. You are either naive and slow...... OR you are messing with people.
You seem to be here so much of the time. Do you even work?
You act a bit strange, as though you are just starting to understand things about life. I don't buy it. I still think that you are just trolling people.
If you have the internet and you can be here all the live long day, you can't be all that poor. Where are you getting your income????
Are your parents paying for this? If so........
They haven't cut YOU out of their lives. SMILE!

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I just have general curiosity like many people do on here. Whether you want to respond to it or not, it is up to you.

Why should you care whether I work or not? I can release that information if I want to or you can guess at it. What if I can do both?

I'm not on here everyday; although, it is a good site to be on.

Again, why would you need to know my personal life?

Are you sure they have not and why is that your problem?

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I don't need to know your personal life. I don't care about it.
From now on I would LOVE to know other things about you....
WHAT's YOUR FAVORITE MOVIE???
Other than the fact that you lost some job due to coworkers not liking you and this has been such a great hardship......
WE ARE ALL VERY SORRY, BY THE WAY!
When are we going to get on with our life??????
Money is a HUGE problem?
Homosexuals aren't NORMAL?????
Do we TALK or do we TYPE??????

I have seen many of your posts. You act like a real JERK!
I don't like you. You are irritating. It may be better if you go irritate others. You don't help my mood.

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I lost a job? How do you know that?

Why do my posts bother you if a "general discussion" is about anything?

Are you the kind of individual that would rather have an answer and have the discussion just come to an end? These posts are always replied to, always will be (unless we add an option to close off a discussion.)

I never knew we could not be curious about certain things and bounce off our thoughts on people and vice versa.



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Exactly, godewey! This really shouldn't even be a topic. It's so sad when your own parents turn their backs on you. When they won't even accept you it makes one feel like nothing.

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If they do something evil enough, yeah.

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Sometimes the kindest thing to do for a person that bad is to cut them off and make them responsible for their own life and problems.

The more you do for them, the more they will let you, and it is never truly appreciated, because they will always blame you or anybody other than themselves when things don't go right for them. They will lie and steal and promise every time never to do it again, but they do. Sorry isn't something you hear them say often and if they ever do it isn't meant. They expect you to forget about everything they have done before and to never get angry with them because of their behavior and actions.

At some point you have to have and enjoy your own life and that person should learn to grow up.

If you are already asking the question then you are probably reaching that cut-off time or are kidding yourself it will change in the future if you just help them some more. Sometimes there just is no helping someone who doesn't want to make the effort for themselves.

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It's kind of like someone who hates to budget. You keep giving them money and they keep spending it, a leak of sorts. You need to tape up that motha effin leak, before you put more water in or else it is going to continue to leak.

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Only it isn't just money they take and squander. It is any goodwill you show them and they will drain you of it emotionally as well as financially and physically.

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Yes, a waterfall of sorts.

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Most people classify addiction as an illness... so you should probably approach it like a disease more than a moral failing. The problem is that you have to balance the needs of your child vs. the safety and security of the rest of your family. I think you should try to help... but not to the point where you destroy yourself financially or put the others in mortal danger. I think there must be experts that can help coach one through this type of thing. But in the same way most wouldn't abandon a child because they were bipolar or autistic... one probably shouldn't abandon someone that has an addiction. Sure, perhaps it's different because it was self inflicted at the beginning... but then there might be psychological issues that made them start to take them.

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Wrong answer.

You typed "shouldn't". There is no should or shouldn't. There is no right or wrong answer to this question. You're implying there is.

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But yet you typed that he gave a wrong answer?

What you should have typed was that there is no right nor wrong answer and that it was based on opinion.

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Exactly.

Because they stated someone "SHOULD" do something. They assigned a "right", "wrong" to this. If there is no right or wrong answer, them declaring that there is one is wrong.

You can say you'd approach it like a disease and that you don't think you'd walk away from them yourself but they didn't. They declared others "SHOULD" treat it like a disease and they "SHOULDN'T" walk away.

Anyone can react however they react, but you don't get to decide how others SHOULD react. So I definitely stand by my response. If your kid becomes a prostitute and you walk away from them.....fine, you've got to do what works for you. If you want to treat it like a disease and keep standing by them? Fine, who am I to judge if you can handle this in your life or not. You start telling others how they "SHOULD" react then yes, that's the wrong answer.

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No it is not, there is no wrong answer. You are just forcing them to do what they have a right, not to.

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I don't have children so I can only guess. I have broken ties with other family members, but I think it is different when it's a child of your own body, or that is what people who have kids say anyway. In general I don't have qualms about walking away from toxic people, or from relationships that are all one-way. All take (from me) and no give. So I think I could probably do the same with a grown child, but I can't really say for sure. I deliberately didn't have children so that I would not have to deal with that situation!

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You are a healthy female, I am not sure why you would forgo not having any children. Even if you do not want an actual family, you should go through a sperm bank and bring a child into this world. It is something most people should experience.

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arvin g borkar said " Even if you do not want an actual family, you should go through a sperm bank and bring a child into this world."

Excuse me?
"you should"?
Are you literally telling me what to do with my uterus?
As long as we are telling strangers what they 'should" do, You Should watch The Handmaids Tale.
And You Should mind your own business.


Secondly.
Going to a sperm bank and carrying that child to term and giving birth to it IS " an actual family".
The child is an ACTUAL child, that is carried in the mother's actual uterus. The mother is an actual mother and the child is her actual child. None of it is virtual or imaginary. they are not Sims.

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Any version or even the book would be useful for someone who thinks they can tell women they 'should' go to a sperm bank!
I haven't seen the new series version yet. I don't have Hulu but I do want to see it.
I already pay for Netflix, cable tv, and Amazon prime, so I am just reluctant to start paying for yet another video service. I hope it will eventually be on DVD and will be on netflix.

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I haven't heard of FilmStruck and filmmovement. Do they make original content or do they just have existing movies?

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Do they have stuff that netflix dvd doesn't have?
I know netflix streaming is quite limited but i have the dvd plan and it rarely doesn't have titles I search for. Less than 1% strike-out rate, i would guess.

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If you are paying for the dvd service, that is weird you haven't gotten a dvd in years. is your dvd queue empty? That's happened a couple times to me, where I wonder why aren't I getting any discs, and then I check and there isn't anything left on my queue. D'OH.
But at the moment it's so long, with like, series that lasted for 7 yrs or 11 years, it will take a LONG time before it's empty!

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No, that's mean.

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lol

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