After graduating college years ago, I was so high and mighty about getting fast food. "Nah, it's not that expensive. I will just spend like $5 a day and at most like $25 a week. What could go wrong? Psh..."
Then a hardship struck and now I could not be any more frugal than I am. Anytime I have to eat out, it is almost like I cannot. Any money spent without making a decision or without a coupon, suddenly feels like I am figuratively stabbing myself.
I guess hardships are definitely life lessons because I totally rid myself from eating out. I may never go back, even though I have coupons. I wish I could eat what fast food youtubers are eating; but unless I actually work at a fast food place, there probably will not be a budget for it. :/
My go to stores are $1 stores and spending at most $10 with a $1 off at a grocery store.
But do you ever get an awareness that all that money "extra money" you throw away, you could be saving for retirement? It only just hit me that I need to save for my future and not the current moment. I am so afraid of the future!
Where I am unemployment is high, many are out of work. I only work part time. I can only get by as I receive help. I live in a one bed property but I am renting it. If it weren't for help I'd be homeless. The hourly wage is low, hours are hard to get and cost of living is high.
It's just as well I only have myself to pay out for. I don't have kids or keep any animals.
I like fast food, but do prefer to go for the cheaper stuff.
Yeah, kids are tough to provide for. It always amazes me how the average American family survives. The job that you get is what dictates how you live. Now days, most jobs would never allow you to live as a four member family.
Maybe it's cultural. Correct me if I'm wrong, but eating out is very popular in the US, no? While I think in Europe (or at least some parts of it) we're much more used to preparing meals and eating at home.
Yes,I think of eating out or getting take away food as a treat so I don't have to cook or if we're away from home.
Nice now and again but not something we do a lot.
I heard food is really cheap in the US.
Yes- real food ( raw ingredients, fruit&veg, meat, dairy, rice, beans) are cheaper here because most of them are grown or raised here. That is one thing that is still made in the US- food!
Cheap compared to? In terms of cost of living, it is actually more expensive than it should be, with the current minimum wage. The only fast food place I actually read up and did the math on was White Castle. Their Original Sliders are $0.05 cheaper than they should be. Additionally, they are also one of the oldest hamburger places in the U.S.
Well, in the city I currently reside in, it is hard not to; however, the job situation here is not very good either. To get a full time job, it is extremely tough and the jobs that are here pay close to minimum wage. So if one were to eat out everyday, I am sure they would probably be homeless after about a month.
I always had a theory that if I had to eat out every day, it would have to be a good consistent percentage off the wage one has earned.
Take a place like White Castle for instance. Before the 1940s, a slider was 5 cents per slider and after the 1940s, it went up to $0.10. The minimum wage was $0.25/hr. around 1940. So if someone were to live off White Castle, they would be wasting 20% of their hourly wage to get it; or rather, 20% of one hour's worth of their hourly wage for one slider.
Today, the minimum wage for one hour is $7.25 and of course, it has not kept up with inflation; however, the cost of a slider is $0.83. So that means if I worked minimum wage, I would be able to get 2 sliders for 22% of the wage.
For groceries, you have staples like bread, eggs, and milk. Right now, eggs are about $3, milk goes for about $2, and bread goes for about $1. Realistically, after you get taxed on all that, it actually goes up to the nearest $.
So in terms of eating fast food, it actually would be worse than getting groceries. Assuming you could live off bread, eggs, and milk.
I don't really have much knowledge of fast food prices over here, but I don't think it's that cheap.
I'm not trying to argue which is cheaper to buy, since I don't live there. But you get a chicken, you can get at least three meals out of that (well, you'd have to add other stuff really). A packet of rice gives you multiple meals. Same with beans and lentils (idk if you guys eat that stuff). And you wouldn't eat a whole thing of eggs in one sitting. But food stuff works differently in different places.
I know, it is just that I am now curious as to how much I would need to make, to comfortably eat out for $15 a day. It is just some senseless number crunching.
If one were to actually live frugally, which I really am learning to; one could live that way. Buy a chicken, eggs, and bread. Beans and lentils are actually super foods that fill one up, so good buys. Rice is also an intelligent option.
If you have a fast metabolism, you could. That is one thing that is hard for me. When I buy something, I can usually finish it in one sitting.
For instance, if I bought a chicken, assuming pre-cooked; I could finish that in one sitting. I would be mourning over the bones of it and wondering where my $6 went.
For the eggs, I usually tell my mind to not eat more than two eggs due to the recommendation of the American Heart Association. I am not sure exactly how many eggs I would have to eat to feel like I had a good meal. I need to try that at some point.
Why are you assuming pre cooked?
a roasted chicken is $5 at my grocery store (cheapest price on fridays)
a whole raw chicken you can usually get for 1-2$ on sale.
You have plenty of free time since you are only partially employed. learn to cook!
You can roast a chicken at home so easily. It's one of the easiest things to learn (check some youtube videos) and then cut it up and use it in all different meals. pasta with chicken, chicken stir fry with rice, chicken salad, sandwiches, soup from the carcass, etc.
You can do one big cook on the weekend and have meals for a week from it.
The trick to stretching it, is to use the meat as more of a flavoring or accent to the meal (which is mostly grains and vegetables) instead of using it as the center of the meal.
Of course it works, this is how millions of people eat who have poor skills.
You still get some meat so you don't feel deprived, but the meat is not the bulk of the meal.
Think of a hamburger that is usually at least 1/4 lb of ground beef, so you can only get 4 burgers to a pound of meat.
But if you use the beef in a pasta sauce, you stretch it out and you can get way more meals for that pound. Most of the meal is pasta (which is super cheap), and the beef is just part of the sauce.
Rice & beans, pasta, potatoes and veggies (whatever is in season is the cheapest) should be the bulk of the meal and then just a couple ounces of meat as an accent.
I couldn't eat a whole chicken lol But that's why you buy it raw, so that you do get those three meals. And bouillon from the bones! Put it in the fridge or the freezer, use it for the rise.
Also potatoes are a good choice in terms of variety (I don't know their dietary value). You can boil, fry, bake, stuff, mash and probably other-thing them.
Portion control is important too, but that's very individual.
I get with buying the frozen raw chicken; however, I do not have the patience to cook it. I would probably be one to eat it raw. When I get hungry, I need to make it in the fastest time.
I am trying to mathematically figure out how much I could eat in a day to allow myself to feel full and at the same time, know, how much I would have to spend. It is pretty tough being that prices are all so different and one can get bored of eating the same thing.
The basic ingredients might be the same, but if you mix them up you get varied meals. And you can prepare food ahead of time. If you make a stew for example, all you have to do is heat it up whenever you're going to eat it. And it's right there in your fridge, so no need to go some place to buy whatever, or wait for the delivery person to bring it.
With a little practise, it's not that hard. You just have to start cooking it before you're hungry.
I don't think it as much cultural as age related. Young people who never learned to cook tend to eat out all the time and even if they get groceries, they get convenience foods where you just need to heat it up, not really cook it.
And then they get postmates to deliver those convenience foods! So by the time they pay for the pre-made meal and the delivery, it's more than eating out would be anyway. They don't realize how cheaply you can eat if you get real groceries and cook them yourself.
Because you have no money that is why.
Convenience and time saver tricks like postmates are expensive so they are for people who are too busy working to do those things themselves, and their time is more valuable. For example if someone makes $50 an hour, then spending 30 minutes cooking is $25 they are missing out on earning, so it makes sense to pay for someone else to cook it.
If you already are not working, you have more time than you have money. Your time is not more valuable.
And with roasting a chicken, most of the cook time is in the oven so you can do other things during that time. It's not like you are actively working to cook it the whole time. It's 5-10 minutes prep time and then go do something else while it roasts.
it's a crowdsourcing app like uber or lyft, only instead of rides, it's getting anything delivered. So the providers go to the store for you and buy whatever and deliver it and you pay them.
It's in various different big cities, not just SF. It makes sense ONLY if the time you are saving is earning you significantly more money than the delivery costs. So there are people w for whom it makes sense. My rule of thumb is don't pay for a service that you can do yourself, unless you are making significantly more money than the person you're paying to do it.
(this does not include things like plumbing or any skilled trade where it's not something you can do yourself)
Someone making $15/hr should not be using postmates. That is barely a living wage here. postmates is for people making 50$/hr and up. ( IMO )
Nobody should be eating fast food every day, period. It should be a once-in-a-while treat.
You are working this problem backwards, Instead of trying to figure out how much you hypothetically need to make to afford a ridiculous unhealthy habit, figure out what you can afford to eat NOW, based on the money you have NOW.
Live within your current means, whatever those are at any given time. When you make more money, then live within those means.
I have a lot of time on my hands. I was just wondering if there was a way I could possibly work backwards.
Start with say the White Castle example.
White castle USE TO sell its sliders for $0.05 into the 1940s. The minimum wage then was $0.25. So fast food say is around 20% of an hourly wage. Now you would just have to figure how many sliders would fill one up. Today, about 8 do it for me.
Today, the minimum wage is $7.25 and two sliders would cost around $1.66 and it would be roughly 22% of that hourly wage. So in a way, if I ate 8 sliders, it would be a cost of $1.66 x 4= whatever it is. Then I would need to multiply that by say 3 times a day and 7 times a week.
See, the thing is it is still expensive. So what I am trying to figure out is X. What would be a good wage to be able to eat like that? Should food be like 20% of an hourly wage or should it be less....
With all that time on your hands, learn to cook and figure out a workable budget for right now, instead of figuring pointless math problems based on money you do not have.
If your only goal in life is to eat white castle slop for 3 meals a day, 7 days a week, for the rest of your life... well that is kind of disgusting and you will probably be dead in a few years.
But presumably you'd learn most of that stuff while you're still at home. Anyway, if you never learned how to cook, ordering out is more convenient, but at some point you do have to learn how to cook. I lost track of my point...
You would think so! But there is a whole generation of people that never learned to cook and some of them do seem to stretch out that dependent childhood as long as possible. Maybe eventually they marry someone who can cook (just replacing their mom) or else they just eat out or eat frozen TV dinners for the rest of their life.
they kind of get stuck in that college stage and never evolve past it.
Maybe it's cultural. Correct me if I'm wrong, but eating out is very popular in the US, no? While I think in Europe (or at least some parts of it) we're much more used to preparing meals and eating at home.
If you’re going to eat fast food, the trick is to eat off the dollar menu. This is what I did when I was poor. At Jack in the box, I could get a couple of taco’s or a burger for a dollar, and an appetizer for another dollar; total of $3 spent. No drink, but you’re better off drinking water anyways, unless it’s straight from the tap. So for $3, I was pretty stuffed.
But the meals are outrageous these days, and I’m not sure if you can get anything for less than $6 anymore?
Yeah, it’s possible to eat cheap at a fast food restaurant. Someone always has a special going on, or some coupon specials going. I almost always ate off the dollar menu at jack in the box, and at $3 I was pigging out and eating more than I should have been. I probably could have got by on $2 a night. The dollar menu stuff isn’t usually the best, and lacks the added ingredients that makes the higher priced stuff so much tastier. You make up for the lack of taste with the free condiments.
I did that too; however, sometimes I have to try the newest creations. The hardest part is trying to figure exactly how much to spend on food. I thought $5 a day was cheap and it apparently was not. Today, the $1 hardly every exists and when it does , it is always McDonalds or some place where the food quality is "what you pay for."
But even doing it off the $ menu, it is not as easy to get $3 because you would also have to throw in a 0.06% tax on top of it.
Sometimes I wouldn’t eat out and cook for the week. Occasionally I would cook up a big pot of the white beans (The name escapes me) and use the included spice. I would eat this with crackers, and it lasted all week. It was surprisingly good. Sometimes I would also buy a pack of the jumbo soy dogs and some buns, and have this for dinner every night, and it would last a week, and didn’t cost more than about $6. I saw a multitude of Top Ramen recipes online that turned the simple noodles into delicious meals. Even the top ramen went way up in price. No more than about 5 years back, there was always a certain flavor on special for a nickel a pack. No more. 12 packs are around $3 now on average. Still cheap, but not like before.
Pre-fried beans are amazing! Buy cans of that and eat it with tortillas OMG!! Beans and rice is another great recipe within itself. Sometimes, I see hot dogs on sale for $1 or 10/$10.
I really need to start looking at sales. I think that is my problem. The answer is right there; however, I am just too lazy to make things work with cheap prices.
Beans and rice is another great recipe within itself.
Also a complete protein if I recall correctly, so not a bad way to go. Yeah, you can get the refried beans really cheap as well. I actually just cooked the regular beans after soaking them in water all night, but your idea is a lot easier.
Other recipes I tried. Take a dish (I used a plastic container with a snap top myself) that’s deep enough to cover the ramen noodles with water. Buy the cans of mixed vegetables that were always on sale for $1, which would last more than one meal. Place noodles in container with some vegetables along side, and fill with hot water from the hot tap from the water cooler at work. Cover, and wait a half hour, Voilà ! Ready to eat poor man’s minestrone.
Here’s another. Add grated Parmesan cheese to the noodles. The result is a surprisingly good low budget cheese soup.
Sure thing arvin. The one poster mentioned that the top ramen wasn’t the healthiest food, and it’s worth noting that the seasoning packets are really high in sodium. So beware, particularly if you suffer from hypertension (High blood pressure). I always used a half pack of the seasoning myself for this very reason. You can also substitute low sodium bullion cubes, or some other seasoning of your choice, like Mrs Dash.
Figure 1 can of vegetables per 2 meals, but I think I usually stretched it out to 3.
Well, my approach is just getting food that is high in fiber and protein. The reason behind that is because I get hungry a lot and those are the only foods that will actually make me feel full.
You ask me to eat a salad and I can polish of an entire individual bag (the one they put on stores shelves) in one and a half sitting. I would still feel hungry. Even pasta, I would still feel hungry.
If I ate beans and rice, it would probably fill me up for about 6 hours.
Ramen and vegetables would probably fill me up for about 2-3 hours. I will have to try it though and get back to you.
Yeah, it's corn, so that's probably true. If you're watching your carbs, take note of the label. Then again, beans, rice, pasta's, all high in carbs. Just monitor them if it's a concern, and watch what you take in. And since the beans and rice are a complete protein, that would make sense.
Well, you need some carbs. I do not think there is a food out there where you cannot get protein without having a carb. Or getting fiber without a carb.
There actually is a way to get protein without fiber and that is fast food and just eating meat. You have to watch out for protein alone though = gout.
Even eating Ramen and peanut butter, I heard one could get scurvy from that. O_o Weird right? The guy ended up eating it for months in his dorm room and never had a pinch of vitamin C.
Vegetables and fruits arvin. I think I read just recently that one apple supplies almost the daily amount of necessary fiber (Going off memory here though). The problem is that fruit can be costly these days. Vegetables not quite as bad. Look for specials, or better yet, a farmers market.
Oatmeal is probably a pretty filling one, but I've read that you really want to avoid the instant variety, and get the kind with the old timey dude wearing the goofy hat, or there abouts 😀
Popcorn isn't a vegetable, it's in the bread/cereal/grains group.
it's cheap only if you buy the kernels in bulk, (preferable at some bulk foods section where you buy it by the pound) not if you use microwave popcorn in the pre-packed pouches.
Eating fast food can be wasteful... but so can eating high sodium cup o noodles and microwave burritos. You may save money eating cheap garbage up front, but you'll pay for it on the back end with high medical bills. Eating healthy home prepared meals is the best option, but many people can't afford the fresh ingredients to make it good for you. The answer is somewhere in the middle... not the dollar menu... not top Ramen... but not 20 dollars for lunch every day at work.
When I was working full time, I would stick with eating $5 a day at lunch. Come to think of it, when I worked full time, I skipped breakfast and dinner. I just did not have enough time because 10 hours of my day were gone!
They say the best thing to eat for health, regardless of $, are foods high in protein and fiber. Throw in vitamin C every few days and you will actually be okay.
What is wrong with buying a loaf of bread and assorted lunch meats? Monday through Friday you have lunches each day for a fraction of the cost of fast food each day.
While you are shopping, get a bag of apples or oranges.... a bunch of bananas! You have desert!
I don't know if you have an Aldi near you, but you can get an assortment of different types of breads. You can buy a whole lot on a tight budget.
One other thing. You keep talking about this big setback you had at one point. You have obviously learned from it. That's great! Why don't you start focusing on the future now? Isn't it time to move on? Focus on the positive?
I wish you the best of luck. Learn to cook! It can be fun and therapeutic.
Cold cuts have a lot of sodium. Bread is a ton of leavening. :/
I am really trying Margo, it's just convenience and the fastest way to get what I need so time opens up. Beans and rice seem to be a good option right now. Additionally, it is hard NOT TO eat fast food because I like salty things.
I had a set back and I am actually better off now than I was when it happened. I actually improved upon it; however, about three things I lost in the process.
I am trying to focus on the future; however, food is a necessity. I tend to think about it more than anything else. If there is one reason I have to live, it is because of food.
In fact, part of my debts go to food. I am a materialistic person when it comes to food (if that makes any sense).
Well, you'll have to excuse me. I'm old school. Fast food to me is something you get maybe once or twice a year usually if I'm miles from home on a shopping trip with family or friends. i grocery shop and cook at home.
Leavening may not be good but neither is salty things. Someone mentioned farmer's markets. One can eat well and healthy and...... FAST on produce. If you cant handle sandwiches, why not make up salads and eat fruit?
Since you do have debts and since you have learned a few life lessons you will have to learn not to be so materialistic.
Your dream diet of fast food 7 days a week has tons of sodium in it already, All the buns are white leavened bread. so why are you suddenly all worried about sodium and leavening whenever someone suggests a cheaper non fast food option?
It's no worse than what you are already eating. In most cases it's healthier, and it's definitely cheaper.
All I see is that you are eating terrible unhealthy garbage that you cannot afford now. Whenever someone suggests an alternative that is so much cheaper, you reject it with some excuse involving sodium or fiber or some other health issue.
Those are weak excuses, when you are already not eating healthy. You say that it is important for you to get protein and fiber, but your current diet has no fiber. You complain about about boredom and lack of variety, but your ideal future involves the same garbage food every meal of the week. You ask for suggestions, you are given many good ones, and then reject them for silly reasons that you don't really care about.
It goes in circles and most of your complaints are insincere. You do not care about healthiness. You do not care about fiber, or variety. You are not too busy to cook a meal. You are just plain lazy.
Fast food is GARBAGE!!
You can find the time to make meals and it does not have to be this very instant.
One can learn to change one's routine and habits. Most people do throughout their lives.
I give up. You're just going around in circles now. You don't care about healthy suggestions that may actually save you some money. You're just playing around with people in that whining "oh, have pity on me because I am the only person on earth who has had hard times" way you have.
I have no wish to talk to you any more. I'm tired of you and your pity partys.
Because I do not agree that some fast food can be healthy? Are you serious Margo? I did thank you for your suggestions didn't I? Oh wait, it could have been Wanton.
Anywho, thank you for your suggestions.
And this thread was kind of a mess of things. I actually also wanted to know how much one would need to make to also enjoy fast food. I guess I should have made it clearer. But it does help that we have some ideas out there!
The way to feel good and buy frugally is to shop at farmers's markets for the most delicious fresh and preferably organic fruits and vegetables. Connecting with the earth through your intake of healthy food will elevate your mood.
Totally not true. You are a mean person sometimes. That is absolutely not true, and everyone who reads that thread knows it. You want me to make "something special" because you don't like me. But ey, come on, get over it. I wanna be nice. Don't you want to be nice too?
What? Several people pm'd you - as me? Am I getting that right? OK to set the record straight, I NEVER EVER pm'd you. NEVER EVER. ok? I am not a troll. But if other people use my name to do that, it's not right.
I respect that. But ey man, go to another store, don't waste your money on fast food chains. Get cheap food elsewhere. I know, Walmart is not ok because of the wages. But you will find another store.
Actually, I have come to find that no supermarkets are "good" places. The ones around me all have something wrong with them. Walmart pays subpar wages, Meijer was against unions and paid for lobbying against them (in some Michigan scandal), Kroger had fish that was farm raised or on an endangered list, Whole Foods has been known to jack up prices, etc.
hmmm.. I totally get your point. But at a certain point in life, you can't be too picky anymore. I mean, if you can afford to be picky, go for it. But if you can't, why not choose the least of the bad ones?
Because it is not respecting the boycott. It is an never ending cycle. We support these stores that pay bad wages and put us into our places. Then we go back and buy from our oppressors? Then again, fast food is pretty bad too; however, White Castle had just recently taken a look at my Yelp post and they raised the wage from $8.50 to $10/hr. :D
I totally get that. And if you can afford to break the cycle, that's what you must do. But if you cannot, what's your choice? Like i said, the least of the bad ones. Or starve. That's the choice.
So that apology is too much to ask? I know you're there, and you read my post. Ruining my nice "thank you" post to the community was ok for you, was it? But apologizing is hard, I know. But you still owe me that apology.
There is a growing community of people PMing me that know you are a troll and I posted a lot of the evidence. Somehow, I really doubt I am the trolling one. lol
I don't believe you. I believe you are a bad person, trolling me because you just don't like me. I don't troll anybody. Those pm's are made up. You are one sick joke of a person. Seek advice from a shrink!
it's totally ok, but when they get to know me, they like me better than you. Because you are a totally negative person, whereas I am a nice girl, loving, caring, and always wanting good relationships. I tried with you. But you stated war. Unbelievable. War. That word is really bad. BAD BAD BAD.