I was going to make this topic about cellphone rudeness, which really frosts my ass, but decided to broaden it to concern ALL forms of rudeness, because I believe that rudeness is the worst epidemic in our world today. Rudeness is leading to the collapse of our society. Rude fucks have all the sensitivity of Donald Trump's dick. They only care about themselves and their own little world, which is usually defined by their freaking phone. How do YOU deal with rudeness? For example, I've gotten to the point where I'm saying "Please watch where you're walking" or "Hey, heads up, Brainiac" (it varies depending on my mood) several times a day as I walk down a sidewalk or through a hall of a building, when I see some asshat on a cellphone about to walk right into me? What are YOUR defensive tactics? What types of rudeness annoy you the most?
Watching the changes come over the modern world somewhat amuse me, cause really, it's like the entire globe is just turning into NYC. But really, anybody who's studied history knows that it's the common state of Man to be unbearably selfish, shitty and cruel to one another. The last two hundred years, even with the world wars, have been kind of fairy tale. It's only going to get so much worse. Traditional family values and fear of God is what keeps society in check. Once removed, anarchy and bedlam! Wait till people have cell phones chips in their brains. Anyhow, i'm thiiiis close to being okay with ramming cell phone drivers off the road cause they've become loose cannons on the highway. But I can put up with bumping into zombies in the streets.
I completely agree that selfishness is humankind's normal state. That is why civilizations have imposed legal and social rules to keep that state in check, so we don't all kill each other. The social set of those rules is eroding badly. Family values aren't what they used to be, because families aren't what they used to be. More and more children are being raised by parents who don't know how to socialize them because THEY were raised by parents who didn't know how to socialize them. How often do you hear the word "please" and the phrase "thank you" these days? How often do you encounter someone who uses "sorry" or "excuse me" as a get-out-of-jail-free card? They're not! There is no excuse for loutish behavior. I once had a drunk walk into me in the store where I work, and he slurred "'Scuse me," and I said, "No. There's no excuse for that." He told me I had to excuse him! My basic point is that the Social Contract is vanishing, and, if it ever disappears completely, the only way to preserve society will be a police state. My major coping mechanism to eliminate rudeness is to raise a hue and cry about the problem. Please keep sharing YOURS with us, and thank you!
I'd like to add that I picked this forum as a place for this discussion because it's a place mainly populated by courteous and smart people.
"Once incivility occurs, it’s easy for negative thoughts to seep into people’s heads and stay there, translating into negative behavior. In experiments I’ve done, I’ve found that once people are exposed to rudeness, they are three times less likely to help others and their willingness to share drops by more than half. It makes sense: When someone behaves poorly or offensively, bad feelings spread and behaviors escalate, sometimes becoming aggressive or dysfunctional."
I certainly agree with this, and with aspects of your OP. However, for some reason I don't understand you're unable to see that what you're doing is exposing the rude behavior you yourself object to to others by doing the same to those that you perceive as being rude to you (whether or not their intention was to be rude).
Selfishness is a form of self-preservation, which at times is taken to an extreme. So in that sense I agree it's not uncommon. However there are countless examples of humans -- and other animals -- who've gone out of their way to help others, with no discernible benefit to themselves.
The most common are during disasters: hurricanes, tsunamis, bombing or other factors in wars, 911 and similar, and so on.
R_Kane,OP,
I assume that I am allowed to reply since I am not a "Rude Fuck".
I have a hard time believing that you are serious. You lost me when you say that you react to rudeness WITH rudeness!
You and every one of us ought to try to be aware of others around us each day. What's wrong with a smile and a kind word? Pay it forward with politeness! That sort of thing can spread just as fast as rudeness.....
Think about it.
Thank you for your thoughts, but I am crude, not rude. The two are not always the same thing. I gather you don't see a lot of stand-up comedy. I have learned there are times when you have to call a spade a spade. A few years ago, I was helping a family in our store when a customer decided to play one of our audio displays at maximum volume. This irritated my customers, and also me. Trying to show sympathy for their discomfort, I said, "I'm sorry for the din. I'm afraid some of our customers are real chuckleheads." One of the folks in the family said, "I'd call him something else!" I replied, "I would, too, but we're a family-friendly store." He replied, "In our family, we'd call him a fucking asshole."
Ok.... there is a difference between rude and crude. I accept what you are saying. I can even laugh in the face of crude. The problem is that others can be offended and they even find it to be aggressive and rude.
I love stand up comedy! Crude has it's place. you have to understand the company you are in.
Be kind to strangers.
I have to agree with you, Miss Margo, and thought R_Kane had to have been yanking our chains because I've never seen any kind of similar post by him/her. All the others I've read have been thoughtful and considered. All I can figure is s/he must have been SERIOUSLY irked when s/he wrote the OP.
Trying to combat rudeness with rudeness only perpetuates more rudeness. (If you're calling someone an asshat, for example, you are being rude.) First, because it's like escalating a war. Second, because many people aren't even aware that they're being rude or thoughtless (for whatever reason -- preoccupied with whatever serious problems they may be experiencing in their lives, or simply unaware) and when being met with hostility, will react with hostility, feeling they were attacked without provocation and reacting accordingly. Which only spreads the rudeness or hostility further, with the next people they encounter.
As to my defenses? If someone's driving too slow or otherwise blocking my way when I'm in a hurry, I *try to* remember the saying "Your lack of planning doesn't constitute an emergency on my end." Usually when I lose my temper at someone, it's because I'm running late. If someone yells at me or angrily honks their horn because they think I'm driving too slow or am otherwise blocking or slowing them down, I try to imagine they have some sort of legitimate urgent business, perhaps even one that's life-threatening. You never know, that could very well be the case, and even if it's not, it helps neutralize irritation and anger on my end.
Not long ago I was checking out of a grocery store I don't frequent and forgot to swipe my card that gives you discounts on certain items. The guy behind me was obviously in a big hurry and out of his impatience felt he had to say "So are you unaware you have to swipe your card right at the beginning?" It irked me, as I'd already been aware of his sighing and fidgeting before this.
For some reason I turned to him and told him "Usually yes, but I rarely go to this store anymore," and a scond later added "I really appreciate your patience." He did a double-take at me to see if I were being sarcastic, but seeing that I wasn't, he smiled at me and immediately relaxed. If I *had* been sarcastic, reflecting back to him what he'd displayed towards me, both of us would have left feeling irritated and most likely carrying on the bad feelings towards whomever we next encountered.
On my best days, these are my defenses. On my bad days, I do the same thing as you and react poorly, and continue thinking about what an asshat the other person was.
Catbookss, I am thankful for, and touched by, your respect for, and implicit faith in, me. There is, to be clear, not a scintilla of sarcasm in that statement. I am afraid that the style of my first post has been mistaken for its substance. I never seriously advised neutralizing rudeness with rudeness. The first example I gave was "Please watch where you're walking." And there was NOTHING in that post that was directed at anyone here. I took it as a priori that I was among friends and can speak freely and without editing. I added a second "heads up, Brainiac" comment as a joke. Perhaps I arrogated to myself a status I don't in fact have in this community. I nowhere advocated using crude language when neutralizing an oaf. If I offended anyone, please forgive me.
You should know that the organizing principle in my life is martial art. The first principle of martial art is to prevent all conflicts. This is why the topic we're discussing matters to me, because incivility PROMOTES conflicts. The second principle is to defuse a conflict, never escalate it. I am happy to see that you and others here practice these principles.
I am also glad to see how many of you understand that rudeness is a threat to our survival. Etiquette is to civilization what grammar is to verbal communication: a rudimentary system of logic that holds the big pieces together and gives them meaning. Grammar and civility are also alike in not being much valued any more. How often, when I hear someone say "Y'know what I'm sayin'?" do I think, "No, because YOU don't know." I think similar thoughts when someone pushes me aside and says "Excuse me." Things fall apart.
In terms of how important a problem incivility is for our species, on R_Kane's List of Dangerous Stuff, Number One is extinction event, Number Two is a tie between incivility and artificial intelligence and Number Three is human stupidity.
Oh, and just to clear it up: I'm a guy, who thinks that Woman is the best idea that God has ever had😊
Ironic I should come back to MovieChat, after being off for 12 days due to the 'rudeness' which developed in the Trending bar, and see your thread 'Rudeness, and How YOU Deal With It'.
All the comments I've read could be boiled down to ONE thing: SELFISHNESS. I agree with you in that it's a worldwide issue. IMO since it's sooo prevalent, I'd include it within the social issues problems (See Wiki under Social issue). People have gotten excessively selfish, and don't care whether they're rude, or not.
I watched Paranoid 2016, the DI's case was, basically, what Big Pharma has done in drug trials and while knowing the damage the 'meds' did, they kept it hidden to prevent their company from being shut down. Sooo, knowing how my mind works, I put 2 & 2 together and started wondering if all the pills which are being taken might have anything to do with rewiring 'our' brains to short circuit our social skills. Could all the pill pushing Pharma 'entity' campaigns for for every..little..thing now have anything to do with 'our' behavior?
Another irony on seeing your thread is I had an awfully rude day yest. Not by me, but by 2 women in the local Wally world towards me, and it doesn't need repeating after the rant I had once I got home from Where I Won't Shop Ever Again. But I kept my cool..both times.
Normally, if their rudeness is on purpose I'll get very polite as an example (hopefully), and if rude by actual stupidity then I'll let it pass without a word. Raised to be polite, and respectful, at all times and to not show any anger, actually getting to the point where I just Can't let it pass started when I was the only female officer/jailer in a teeny tiny town. I learned to discern, and to speak my mind addressing the nuances of the most base of humans, but still be respectful.