We need to have a serious discussion about this.

That's doesnt refute anything in the link. Read through that thread it's all verifiable information.

Already abandoned the topic huh? Discuss the facts or stick your head back in the sand.

Fair point, but to clarify I was assuming first-world civilizations (I should have specified that my thoughts fell within a framework of "all, or most, other conditions being equal"), those comparable to the U.S., specifically concerning murders committed by actual citizens with a lineage in the country, as opposed to immigrants or illegals, which has become a worldwide problem. The African and South American regions are "developing" or third-world, which in my view is a separate thread of discussion (and for which socioeconomic conditions may or may not be more of an influence), invalidating first-world comparisons.

My statement you quoted spawned in part from the fact that Hispanic crime, at least as it's reported by the statistics available to us, isn’t nearly as unusually high in the U.S. like it is in black urban communities (and even then, strictly just in those urban communities), as described in my previous post. So why is violent crime so bad in areas of South America when despite having the same poverty level as blacks in the U.S. Hispanic violent crime rates aren’t anywhere near as bad? Well, it’s a third-world region fraught with drug cartels, rampantly corrupt and weak law enforcement, and yes widespread poverty. It’s difficult to compare the U.S. to it, but what this discrepancy does lead us away from is race being a factor (at least regarding Hispanics in Southern America in poverty as compared to Hispanics in poverty in the U.S.) as opposed to a natural corelative byproduct.

Something I’ve witnessed firsthand while working with KC Freedom Project is: remove a black criminal from their previous urban environmental influences, and their behavior, mindset, impulses, proclivities, goals, etc. all change drastically. This indicates that their genetics isn’t a contributing factor for criminal behavior. Their environment, the culture drilled into them as a child, is the problem, which naturally propagates generationally. There’s a clear distinction between being culturally “black” and physically black. They are two very different things. Of course, there will be a correlation because black or “gangsta” culture spreads, logically, between those of similar genetic background as they procreate and congregate, but it does so simply because they’re in social proximity, not due to genetic forces. So, while it’s correlation, it’s definitely not causation i.e., they don’t commit more murders because they have constituent genetic components that also produce dark skin. They commit more murders because that’s what they were conditioned environmentally to do, because that’s the culture they were raised in.

Looking into this further, though, I must amend my previous statement that you quoted regarding black gang culture being uniquely U.S. For example, in the United Kingdom 13% of murder suspects were black compared to 3% of the population (even more especially, London where 48% of murders were committed by the city's 3% black population). Outside of the black citizenry it gets complicated due to the high influx of non-native immigrants from third-world regions in recent years. There's also a cultural link between black populations in the U.S. and England, so I'd surmise without actually investigating that there's some cross-contamination, so to speak, although keep in mind that's just my uninformed speculation. Some of that has migrated to Australia as well, it looks like. So, I should probably expand my statement from the “U.S.” to “Western society”.

But let’s address my statement you quoted further as it specifically pertains to the black U.S. population, something that narrows down the 6% black male statistic more accurately. This will put it in a different light, and is what I was alluding to in that quote from my previous post. We can’t actually assign blame for the more than half of all murders committed by black males to all 6% of black males, and here’s why: The number of black individuals arrested for “murder and nonnegligent manslaughter” in 2019 according to the FBI database (we could do this for other years to see if it's roughly the same—also, there may be other stats out there that vary) was 4,078 (which was 51.3% of U.S. homicides). With an estimated black population of around 46.8 million in 2019, the percentage of the black population involved in these crimes is less than 1%. In fact, it’s 0.0087%. That means it wasn’t, of course, all black citizens who committed more than half of all U.S. murders (i.e., that 6% stat is misleading). In 2019 only 0.0087% of that 6% did. Which is an extremely small 0.0012% of the total 328.3 million U.S. population in 2019.