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UK MPs vote in favour of historic bill to allow assisted dying

posted 2 months ago by filmflaneur (2158)
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In a huge moment in British social policy, MPs have voted in favour of a bill to legalise assisted dying in England and Wales . The historic vote, by 330 in favour to 275 against, comes after five hours of passionate debate during which MPs shared personal stories, while those against the bill called for better end-of-life care. The bill passing the first stage in the Commons means it will be followed by months of parliamentary scrutiny and approval before it becomes law

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47158287

Personally I am in favour of assisted dying but there are certainly genuine and deeply felt opinions on the other side. Surveys have shown the UK public two thirds in favour.

[–] chilidoggg (14430) 2 months ago

Your wife's not dead, bloke - She's English!

[–] curiousMInd101 (3956) 2 months ago

I was once firmly in favor of assisted dying, aligning with the progressive stance on the issue. However, recent reports from Canada regarding the MAiD program — where individuals who are disabled, depressed, or impoverished are encouraged to end their lives — have deeply disturbed me. This feels like something out of Black Mirror, where eugenics, masquerading as progressivism, waves a rainbow flag. It is nothing short of abhorrent. The very idea of vulnerable people being pushed toward death is a grotesque distortion of compassion.

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

Saves money for the NHS though - which is the real purpose of the bill.

Commies gonna commie.

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

Saves money for the NHS though - which is the real purpose of the bill.

As I understand it, in countries like Canada, the change in the law meant more expenditure on end of life and palliative care, not less. But I am happy to be persuaded by data to the contrary.

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

Bullshit, murder reduces those expenses because the dying patient, taking up a hospital bed and being constantly treated, is now dead and gone.

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

That is not what has apparently happened in Canada, as I said. In fact the UK Health Secretary Wes Streeting has raised concerns about the cost of assisted dying and how it could divert funding away from other NHS services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cew2jj94zwyo

Glad to help.

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

Irrelevant. Killing off a patient is much cheaper than keeping them alive, with all the costs that entails - drugs, staff, hospital bed etc etc. It’s basic logic.

The fact that you respect the BBC, Britain’s primary propaganda outlet, as a credible source goes some way to explaining why you’re always wrong.

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

Irrelevant. Killing off a patient is much cheaper than keeping them alive,

I can only tell you what the reality is, in two countries at least, which would seem entirely relevant.

The fact that you respect the BBC, Britain’s primary propaganda outlet,

Remember what I said to you about right wing tropes, just earlier? I do.

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

No, you can only regurgitate the latest regime-prescribed opinions because you’re a brainless automaton.

I’m sure you do remember whatever meaningless drivel about ‘right wing tropes’ you mentioned earlier, nobody else does.

How are you coping with the Trump victory?

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

No, you can only regurgitate the latest regime-prescribed opinions

Please refer back to 'tropes'.

How are you coping with the Trump victory?

Well according to you I know I am, apparently, 'seething'. But really, especially given the quality of his recent picks to serve as part of his administration, my schadenfreude and entertainment is growing by the day.. How are you coping with the Convicted Felon Elect frequently choosing media personalities for high office ? LOL

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

I knew you were seething but your latest cope… scraping the barrel for a win with this desperate talk of ‘picks’ 🤣… has been a joy to watch. Keep going, please…

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

with this desperate talk of ‘picks’

You mean Defendant Donald didn't actually pick his own Cabinet? Who did he ask to then? Your mum?

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

🤣🤣

… and then the desperate ‘your mum’ jab when you ran out of cope 😆

Don’t stop… 😂

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

Yes I am sorry for bringing your mum into things, I know you don't like to talk about her. And also don't recognise sarcasm.

But, if Trump didn't pick his own cabinet then once again: who did?

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

You can’t decide whether to continue the shit ‘your mum’ schtick or keep going with the cope! 🤣👏🏻

Keep going… 🙏🏻😂

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

Last time of asking: if Trump didn't pick his own cabinet then who did? I can cope with any answer fine, but thank you for your concern. Other than that, if you still don't feel able to answer, have a nice day and see you next time. I don't have your appetite for repetition ad nauseam, which is a rhetorical fallacy.

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

Cope cope cope cop com gom gnom gnom gnom! 🍿🤣

[–] moviechatterer (16049) 2 months ago

I work at a hospital that is desperately trying to find ways to save money and prevent the current massive overspend.

I'll put forward your "Lets kill all the patients" idea , and if they go with it and I get a reward I'll cut you in 👍

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

It’s not my idea it’s Starmer’s. Pay attention before commenting.

[–] ProgsReturn (2146) 2 months ago

Under Labour, most pensioners will simply freeze to death.

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

most pensioners will simply freeze to death.

Exaggeration noted. All Labour did was to restrict the Winter Fuel Allowance to those pensioners who are eligible for a number of other benefits, which are means tested. At a time when money is tight, there is no point in paying out to rich pensioners unnecessarily. I don't deny that there will be hardship the closer we get to the cut-off line though and I think the government is looking at that..

[–] ProgsReturn (2146) 2 months ago

Meanwhile, back in reality...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/winter-fuel-payments-pensioners-poverty-dwp-b2649951.html

Winter fuel payments cut will drive 100,000 more pensioners into poverty, minister admits

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

As I said I don't deny that there will be hardship the closer we get to the cut-off line. However the Minister is talking about relative poverty; it is hard to imagine just £300 less a year will be mean a profound drop in living standards as is implied. The poorest pensioners, (ie those on Pensioner's Benefit) are exempt from the cut. Many pensioners will also benefit from the £150 warm home discount and cold weather payments to help with energy bills and millions of pensioners are also set to benefit from an increase of up to £470 to the state pension in April. It is important to have a sense of proportion.

[–] ProgsReturn (2146) a month ago

>it is hard to imagine just £300 less a year will be mean a profound drop in living standards as is implied

First of all, that £300 is for winter, not all year as you said. Secondly, if you had bothered to read the article, it clearly says, "50,000 additional pensioners will face relative poverty as a result of the change next year, according to an official impact assessment, the figure jumps to 100,000 additional pensioners facing poverty from 2026 onwards."
So clearly the official report is wrong, by your unique standards.

> Many pensioners will also benefit from the £150 warm home discount and cold weather payments to help with energy bills and millions of pensioners are also set to benefit from an increase of up to £470 to the state pension in April

The warm home discount was introduced in 2011 by the Conservatives. Labour is taking benefits _away_
The rise in the pension is to cover _everything_ not just fuel bills.

[–] filmflaneur (2158) a month ago

£300 is for winter, not all year as you said.

This emphasis puts things in a better light, rather than worse. Also, cold weather payments I mentioned as an additional payment are for, well, cold months.

If you had bothered to read the article, it clearly says, "50,000 additional pensioners will face relative poverty

Relative poverty being the essence of my point above. A £300 a year reduction strictly means yes, one is poorer off - but such an amount does not tip anyone into absolute poverty, certainly when the most poor will still get the £300, eligible by means test. Let's be proportionate here.

The warm home discount was introduced in 2011 by the Conservatives. Labour is taking benefits _away_The rise in the pension is to cover _everything_ not just fuel bills.

As we know, the total loss to pensioners who are not eligible for pension benefit is £300. No matter who introduced things, the fact remains that pensioners will still get other payments, such as I outlined while the poorest pensioners are still eligible. Do you think it is right that the wealthiest pensioners should get a unneeded pay out when public services are struggling?

[–] SemiAnimus (2778) 2 months ago

I saw this topic and instantly thought how this was something where there would be 50 Skavau replies minimum. Go figure it's a flimflam post.

You're alright btw flimflam, but I miss Skavau. For all the detractors, Skavau really did add a lot to the conversations here.

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

3+ weeks since that rancid turd rage-quit this site. It’s been a much better place since, and full of celebration:

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/672d632b8e07205b37128f6e/Skavaus-epic-gaslighting-mission-FAILED?reply=674864e2a010a67d473cdce5

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

You're alright btw flimflam, but I miss Skavau

Thank you It is ironic though how many of his sparring partners do still talk about him, mostly Melton, who hasn't stopped talking about him, often in homosexual terms, for weeks.

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

How are you coping with Skavau no longer jammed up your backside?

[–] filmflaneur (2158) 2 months ago

... often in homosexual terms,

"Skavau no longer jammed up your backside'

QED

Now now Melton, you know I don't reply to your tired loaded question schtick, other to point out the fallacy. And so I wont.

[–] Melton (5033) 2 months ago

Evasion noted. Let’s try again. How are you coping with Skavau no longer jammed up your backside?

You must feel really ‘empty’.

[–] curiousMInd101 (3956) 2 months ago

Agreed. I miss sparring with the old chap.

[–] ProgsReturn (2146) a month ago

You should set up a gofundme account. Find out your true worth.

[–] KiwiJim (1575) a month ago

About time.

For anyone who has held the hand of a younger parent with a terminal illness as they struggle to breathe and soil themselves with no trace of the humanity or dignity that once defined them, this is an overdue decision.

I know in my homeland it has been legal practice for a while now in most states, and there hasn’t been one incident of it being abused. It would be virtually impossible since the order needs to go through so many steps and be approved by numerous different types of health professionals.

It has served its purpose which is to let people leave the world peacefully rather than as a lump of flesh writhing in pain unable to even communicate and say their goodbyes to loved ones.