Calm down Zarkoff.
You've made a apoint about illegal immigration. It upsets you that Trump is exaggerating the crime numbers of illegals.
HEre is the deal.
As an American conservative, i am very opposed to ilegal immigration and want the government to secure the border to slow or stop the flow of illegals. Trump, though I don't trust him on the numbers, is expressing his hostility to the flow of illegals, and I hope that if he gets into office, that he was take steps to address it.
YOU, as a lefty of some type, you probably consider the focus of myself and others on this issue to be wrong or bad and probably don't support strong and aggressive action on the border, so you hear this, and not only don't you trust him on the numbers, you interprete his meaning that if he gets into office that he will crack down hard, possibly meanly or hurting the illlegals feelings or something.
That is why you oppose him.
And that's fine. IF you said that, or something like it, we could have a reasonable discussion about our policy disagreement.
BUT, you prefer to pretend that you don't know about his speaking style and instead you want to pretend that those oppose you on policy are all stupid.
That's you being a divisive.
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Zarkoff (1864)
4 months ago
Is there anything more obnoxious than someone telling someone else to "calm down" when that person has an opinion they don't like? What next? Are you going to call me a snowflake? Oooo, devastating!
LOL. You calm down.
Trump's making these claims to support his arguments, so to tell people it's dishonest to point out the reality because that's his "speaking style" and therefore, I guess, should just be allowed to slide is insanity.
Illegal immigration was not the lowest its ever been in US history when he was president.
There is no massive wave of murder being committed by people crossing the boarder illegally, much less one in the 100s of thousands, not even the tens of thousands. TRUMP SPENT A LOT OF TIME DURING HIS RNC SPEACH TALKING ABOUT THIS. It's absolutely valid to point out the reality.
Water quality was not the best it's ever been under Trump. Trump did nothing to improve it. If it improved at all while he was President, it had nothing to do with his policies.
The "hyperbole" is often completely different than the reality. It's not someone saying they were on the bestseller list for a year and it was only twenty weeks. His made up "facts" are totally disconnected with the real world.
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Corbell (10995)
4 months ago
All of that is irrelevant to my point.
The point is that Trump is expressing his position on the issue. We both get it as an expression of wanting to take a hard line on the issue.
I support that, you oppose it.
The bit where you attacked me and mine for believing Trump's stats? That was you pretending to be obviously to 8 years of discussion on this issue, adn then using your pretense of ignorance to attack us.
So, stop doing that.
Do you think it is racist to want to deport illegals? Do you voice a complaint when people call illegal aliens "illegals"?
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Zarkoff (1864)
4 months ago
That's insane. Trump is making these claims to support his position. Of course it's valid to point out that what Trump's saying isn't just false, but not in the same ballpark, in many cases not on the same continent, as reality.
No, I'm not going to stop doing it. People who oppose him need to do it more, IMO.
I actually have been using the word "illegal" when talking about people coming across the boarder, well, illegally. I don't like the games the left has been playing with language. I don't march in lockstep with the hard left types.
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Corbell (10995)
4 months ago
1. I don't care about Trump's supporting arguments. I am anti-immigration and if he is hostile to illegal immigration, then he is a better choice for me to support than Harris.
2. YOU don't care about Trump's supporting arguments. YOu are NOT hostile to immigration and if Trump is hostile to illegal immigration, then you are opposing him. AM I WRONG ABOUT ANY OF THAT?
(flicker of independent thinking noted. will watch for more)
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Zarkoff (1864)
4 months ago
More nonsense.
Of course the claims he's making matter. Trump is saying these things to convince people to vote for him and support what he wants to do. He's saying that foreign governments are actually sending criminals from their prisons into the US and that illegal immigrants are then massacring lawful US citizens in the hundreds of thousands, THEREFORE we should vote for him.
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