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A question for those who are pro gun


You are always blaming the shooter and not the weapons yet I never see any solutions as to how to keep the guns out of those who have the potential to kill or anything to solve or fix this problem.

Here is my idea.
Everyone who wants to legally buy a gun or who already has one has to surrender it to take a psych. evaluation given by a psychiatrist.
If the shrink determines they are safe enough to have a gun they are cleared to buy one and those who surrendered them get them back.
Why not?
If you feel like you are sane enough to own one then you would have nothing to fear.

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The thing is that people can turn crazy years after passing the check you’re describing and long after obtaining lawful possession of a gun. We need to establish better security at schools. Treat them like we treat courthouses and airports. A TSA for school safety. And we need to put a lawful duty on family members to report to law enforcement when their gun owning relative suddenly starts to act like a weirdo. So tired of family members coming out post-tragedy and revealing they knew their relative had a gun and was behaving aberrantly. Family members who violate this duty could then be criminally charged

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True.
No gun owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime such as we see with mass shooters who legally purchased their guns.
With the idea of a psych evaluation for present and future gun owners a few will fall through the cracks though it may prevent the majority of gun crimes.

I just think it needs to be tougher to buy guns if we are not going to ban them altogether.

Funny how even though I address the problem the gun nuts bring up they still object to it and don't offer up any solutions themselves if you see the replies.
They just want to keep arguing.
Weird.

I do think you are on the right track of treating school entrances like they do at airports and then to lock the doors and have guards nearby for anyone who wants to enter later on and they would need some kind of clearance or pass to get in.

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No gun owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime.
No knife owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime.
No chainsaw owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime.
No knitting needle owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime.
No car owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime.
No baseball bat owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime.
No hammer owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime.
No ball point pen owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime.
No brick owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime.
No box cutter owner can ever be trusted where they can snap at anytime.

We need to ban any and ALL objects that have been or could be used to kill or inflict harm on people, or at the very least, people need to pass a psyche evaluation before they can be allowed to have them!

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This old and stupid argument again?

The thing about your trolling list is that only one thing on there only has one purpose to harm and kill and that is the gun.
Everything else is hardly or never used in crimes and they are used in things that do not harm anyone with intention in the majority of times being used.
If you have a gun and a hammer in the house and you snap and go mental which one are you going to reach for to do the most harm in the easiest way?
Not the hammer.
Take away guns we take away tons of crimes.
It is that simple.

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Take away all those other things and we take away tons more crimes. They should be banned, no?

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You are just being silly.

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How is he being silly? That’s a valid point. The only reason you’re calling him silly is because you’re only focusing on one weapon.

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It's a valid and unavoidable point. Violence doesn't exist because of guns. You don't address the cause, you don't do anything about the number of criminals who perform violent acts against the innocent.

You also make it VERY hard for the elderly to defend themselves. Not to mention you've increased the number of potential rape victims exponentially. Sorry but the world you 'think' you'll get is a fantasy.

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P.S. Ban guns and deaths buy other weapons will increase dramatically.

P.P.S. Mass killings are not exclusive to guns. In Japan's 2016 Sagamihara stabbings, a knife-wielding former employee killed 19 people and injured 26 more at a care home for the disabled.

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OK that knife example in Japan was 6-7 years ago.
And how often has that happened since then?
In the meantime we have multiple mass shootings here a month in America.

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So what if that was 6 or 7 years ago. Last October in Thailand, a crazy ex cop killed 34 people including 23 children at a daycare and then went home, killed his wife and kid before killing himself with both a knife and a 9 mm pistol.

That… is a mass killing. What we had happen in Nashville was not a mass killing. The only reason why it seems like this is on the rise here is because, like I told you a long time ago, what was considered a mass killing years and years ago is not the same anymore.

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We need to ban any and ALL objects that have been or could be used to kill or inflict harm on people, or at the very least, people need to pass a psyche evaluation before they can be allowed to have them!


Sooooo, we ban the Earth? One could stuff another's throat with literal dirt and kill them!

I guess its just time for everyone to hide in the AR pod, take the bug matter feeding tubes, and stay in Metaverse forever and that way no one will ever die ever!

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Leftist utopia!! It's totally doable!

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No civilian needs military-type weapons and armor.

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We can't own military type weapons. They're strictly controlled by the NFA of 1934. Got any more stupid things to say? (that was a rhetorical question)

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He'll never run out of stupid things to say.

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That's because he has no job, no friends, no pussy (or maybe not) and no life.

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"The federal assault weapons ban, which prohibited the sale and manufacture of certain military-style semiautomatic weapons and high capacity magazines in the US, expired in 2004. "

Yes, you can since 2004 which is the reason guns are the #1 cause of death for American children.
https://www.aap.org/en/advocacy/state-advocacy/assault-weapons-bans/

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"If you feel like you are sane enough to own one then you would have nothing to fear."

I remember a similar argument when they passed the Patriot Act and someone said "If the Government wants to look under my mattress, let them. I have nothing to hide."

Fuck that. Some of us have an expectation of privacy. Background checks are enough. If you want to do something about gun violence, encourage strong, mandatory sentencing for the assholes who are constantly nabbed for illegal posession and only given a slap on the wrist.

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Exactly. Just because I have nothing to hide, doesn't mean I do not respect privacy of myself and others.

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Hannah Barron and her house she is building. She makes a bunch of money from YouTube from the videos she puts on it though.
https://www.chevelles.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.chevelles.com/attachments/1679976387938-png.766020/

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Thats just it Warren, no matter what we do- no matter what laws we pass, no matter what restrictions and regulations we put into place, you are never..... let me repeat that.....YOU ARE N-E-V-E-R going to keep guns out of the wrong hands. It's just that simple.

Criminals, bad people and virtually anybody with no regard to human life or the law will not give in to that. This shit gets proven every single time we have a shooting somewhere. You're never gong to get rid of the guns. This is why gun laws, gun regulation and gun restriction will never work. This is also why you cannot compare us to other countries. Those countries never had the guns to begin with. They never really had rights to guns either. I cannot make it any clearer than that.

But ok, lets analyze your psych evaluation idea... This is already flawed from the start. Why? Because how can we trust the specific evaluator to be fair and reasonable? What if the evaluator is some gun-hating liberal who doesn't want anybody to have guns? This is very likely because look at New York and California for example. Some of the states that still require a permission-slip(carry permit) to carry or own a firearm are what they call a "may-issue" state which, what that means is, you have to have a good enough reason for them to issue you a permit. In other words, If they dont believe your reason for applying for a permit is good enough, guess what.... you dont get one.

It has nothing to do with feeling like we are sane enough to own one. This is also why red flag laws will never work as well.

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Do I know you from filmboards?

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After all that I said, that’s all you could muster up? No, I don’t even know what film boards is. But man, talk about the king of deflection.

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Oh OK.
Someone there has the same name as you.
Just wanted to check.

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I was curious and looked....Filmboards is another IMDB Board dump like this site, but it looks like dogshit. The discussion more devolved than here(if that's possible).

Can't comment on the movie boards(ironically). I didn't look. 🤣🤣

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You can 3D Print a gun! That Pandora is never going back in the box.

Canada banned "assault weapons" 3 years ago and have no idea how to get them out of the public circulation. No one will sign up to take them.

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I have a question for all the Gun Grabbers...

Will any of you be signing up to be the ones confiscating them from the gun owners?

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Sure!
Just give me the keys to the tank, dad.

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Your sarcastic "Fuck that noise" answer is duly noted.

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You shitheads are the biggest cowards there are. Too dimwitted to see the hypocrisy in your stupidity. Let me spell it out, you're going to ban civilian gun ownership and then depend on others to go and take them, using their guns. You're all hat and no cattle. Since you're a precious little snowflake, that means you're all talk from the safety of your internet connection and no balls.

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Boxers or briefs kinda guy?

Boxers here.

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His reply confirms it. Just a nasty “little” troll who has to use a lot of stain remover for those boxers. 🚽🧻💩🧼

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You obviously have to blame the shooter, the gun isn't fired off by itself.

You will never be able to stop dangerous people who want to harm either certain people or a group of people, so why try to ban guns? And why restrict law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong?

A major change I'd go after are the parents of these children who steal their parents guns. Investigate if the guns were locked up properly and so on. Then hold them accountable, even if it means by death or life in prison.

If your idea would also be applied to the first amendment, then sure, try it, but I doubt you'd be in favor of going that far.

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That's not how freedom works.

A 12-year-old girl was stabbed to death by 2 girls her age but no one cares because no guns were involved. Maybe figure out what is going on in schools and social media that is turning kids into psychopaths and stop blaming inanimate objects. A switch to the ass of these monster kids would put a lot this to bed.

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There are consequences to the politicization of the scientific method. People, especially on the right, distrust the field of psychology. And they're not wrong to do so:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3791902

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