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3-Year-Old Kills 4-Year-Old Sister with Gun


"3-year-old girl found a loaded gun in a Texas home and accidentally shot her sister, killing the 4-year-old on Sunday, police said. Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said the girls were in the bedroom of an apartment on Bammel North Houston Road in Houston, where they lived with their parents, around 8 p.m.

Five adults, who were all family members or family friends, were in other parts of the apartment and the girls unintentionally were left unsupervised, Gonzalez said.

He said one parent thought the other was watching the girls, and they were left alone in a bedroom. The 3-year-old girl found a loaded pistol and fired a single shot, the sheriff said.

"The 3-year-old gained access to a loaded, semi-automatic pistol. Family members heard a single gunshot. They ran into the room and found the small toddler, 4-years-old, unresponsive," Gonzalez said.

The girl was pronounced dead at the scene after police responded to a 911 call by the family, Gonzalez told journalists outside the home."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-year-old-girl-kills-sister-accidental-shooting-texas-home/?intcid=CNI-00-10aaa3b

Texas. It figures.
Gun nuts and their lax gun laws.

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Guns don't kill people but toddlers do.

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😐🤔🤨🙂🤣

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I'd charge the gun owner and the parents with involuntary manslaughter. The surviving daughter would be placed in the foster care system if a relative could not take care of her.

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And I’m sure that’s what’ll happen. Not saying it’s guaranteed but should.

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Nobody's asking what you'd do.

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The other toddler should have been armed.

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A good toddler with a gun defeats a bad toddler with a gun.

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That's right. Some of these toddlers are known for stealing other toddler's toys. You've got to defend your private property.

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Coming to a theater near you!

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Toddle Your Ground!

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This is a question of education, not laws.

Please tell me, dear idiot, what gun law would've prevented that? Then tell me what gun law would've prevented it and NOT infringed on people's rights?

Because I know EXACTLY what would've prevented it and not infringed on anyone's rights. Education. Aren't you fuckwits all about education?

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What would have prevented it was not having a gun in the first place.

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Like most your ideas, that's just not realistic.

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Yet there’s millions of gun owners who properly teach their kids about gun safety that don’t have these accidents but sure, let’s blame the people for having a gun.

You know, if it were ever questionable about guns being in the same homes with kids, they do make these neat little electronic lock boxes- some even with pretty nice and quick biometrics, that allows a gun to to be kept fully loaded and ready to go but out of the reach from curious hands. It’s not the rest of us gun owner’s fault if people choose not to do that.

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Texas legislators refuse to acknowledge that many gun owners are stupid. That's why more legislation like gun safety courses and registration are needed.

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I understand the safety courses which, a lot of people do take, just despite the fact that you think they don’t, but why registration? What good’s that gonna do?

And yes, many gun owners are stupid but why do you make it sound as though every one of them are? You know, we still get our drivers licenses to people who are stupid. Why doesn’t that seem to bother you?

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I provided a link which contains a video in the OP. A parent is proudly bragging about how his son is learning gun safety. When the reporter asked the kid what are the safety rules he just learned, the kid didn't know any.

A stupid father who believes his equally stupid son should be around guns even though the kid flunked basic gun safety.

People take driving lessons, pass a driver's test, must register, have a license, undergo inspections, and have insurance. License is also taken away if you're reckless. Very young children aren't allowed to drive. Create similar legislation for gun ownership.

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I provided a link which contains a video in the OP. A parent is proudly bragging about how his son is learning gun safety. When the reporter asked the kid what are the safety rules he just learned, the kid didn't know any.

A stupid father who believes his equally stupid son should be around guns even though the kid flunked basic gun safety.

Soooo, what does this prove, other than just one kid who obviously isn’t interested in learning anything about guns or gun safety? But sure, go ahead and plaster this crap like it applies to all kids. I know plenty of teenagers that are very well knowledgeable about guns, probably more so than some adults but, that probably doesn’t mean shit to you, does it?
People take driving lessons, pass a driver's test, must register, have a license, undergo inspections, and have insurance. License is also taken away if you're reckless. Very young children aren't allowed to drive.

Yet people still do stupid shit, cut people off in traffic, run stop signs/red lights, drive distracted and even drive without a license but sure, go ahead and use that to support your weak-ass argument.
Create similar legislation for gun ownership.

Sorry but uh, gun ownership is a protected constitutional right and uh, driving is not.

But all that aside, there’s a lot of people who get really good training, just despite the lack of credit you give, thats a lot better than most state-required bullshit you have to go through just to get that rights-infringing permission slip(carry permit).



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It proves that the kid shouldn't be near a gun since he's too immature and his father has poor judgment.

Guns are a protected constitutional right for well-regulated state militias. Not individuals.

High suicide, homicide and accident rates with guns prove your wrong.

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It proves that the kid shouldn't be near a gun since he's too immature and his father has poor judgment.

Didn't I just say that?? Coulda swore I did yet for some unseen reason, you decided to repeat it.
Guns are a protected constitutional right for well-regulated state militias. Not individuals.

Nope, sorry. Try again. Only gun hating and rights-hating wise guys say that. It doesn't say state militia in the second amendment. The right of the PEOPLE to own and bear arms.
High suicide, homicide and accident rates with guns prove your wrong.

How and what, exactly, is high suicide, homicide and accident rates proving me wrong at?

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"It doesn't say state militia in the second amendment."

You never read the entire Constitution. The Founding Fathers feared tyranny, therefore they didn't want a standing national army. Each state's government would form a militia if needed for defense.

Furthermore, Congress was allowed to appropriate funds for a military for up to 1 year if the need arose.

You don't know history nor the Constitution.

BTW, the PEOPLE means government, not individuals, in the Constitution. That's the reason you should read the entire document instead of one sentence.

"Didn't I just say that??"
No, you said you know teens and other kids who can handle guns.

"How and what, exactly, is high suicide, homicide and accident rates proving me wrong at? "
It proves civilians can't handle guns.

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And that's what the National Guard is but that's not the same as the militia that the 2A talks about. The militia is the people- the citizens.

Furthermore, Congress was allowed to appropriate funds for a military for up to 1 year if the need arose.

OK, your point?
You don't know history nor the Constitution.

I may not be a constitutional scholar by any means but I'm not nieve to it like you apparently are.
BTW, the PEOPLE means government, not individuals, in the Constitution. That's the reason you should read the entire document instead of one sentence.

No, moron, the PEOPLE is not the government. And you have the audacity to say I know nothing about the constitution or its history?? Wow.
No, you said you know teens and other kids who can handle guns.

I was just trying to make a point since it seemed to me you were trying to apply this to all kids.
It proves civilians can't handle guns.

So just because some can't that automatically means all can't? HMM.

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"The Army National Guard began on Dec. 13, 1636, when the Massachusetts Bay Colony organized three militia regiments to defend against the growing threat of the Pequot Indians. Today, the Army National Guard continues its historic mission of providing defense for the nation."
https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/national-guard-overview.html

"The Congress shall have Power To...
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

Militia is clearly not an individual. It's clearly government! Congress and state government. State government conscripted men for battle in service of the U.S. which is financed by Congress. Individual is referred to as Person in the Constitution. If the 2nd amendment meant individual, they would have used the term Person.

The Founding Fathers didn't want a bunch of inbred morons with guns shooting each other. They didn't even want you to vote.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

They feared a president becoming too powerful, like the king they fled, and created checks and balances. No president can replace a state militia with a federal army which could create a tyranny - "security of a free State". State militia run by state governments vs federal army run by one person. 2nd amendment is for autonomy from Federal government. They feared a permanent federal army!!!

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It is not government, dude. I don't know where you found that but you're highly incorrect.

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government = PEOPLE

Unlike in Britain and most of Europe where
government = MONARCHY & ARISTOCRATS

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https://www.vcstar.com/story/opinion/readers/2022/06/29/letter-2nd-amendment-refers-people/7767811001/

So is the mention of PEOPLE in the other amendments the fucking government, too?

Come on man, enough's enough. Stop being stupid.

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You don't care about people. Only guns. That's why you continue to ignore the 4-year-old dead child. She's the topic.

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You don't care about people. Only guns. That's why you continue to ignore the 4-year-old dead child. She's the topic.

Repeating yourself over and over again like an idiot isn’t going to make you at some point look sane. In fact, you’re sounding more and more like a deranged chimp than anything.

GO AWAY!

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The Constitution clearly defines a well-regulated militia as created, maintained, trained and paid by the government. Well-regulated militia isn't an inbred hillbilly doing cosplay like you believe.

If you still can't comprehend, then this site will help you:
RIF.ORG

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WE are the militia. Tired of explaining that to you. If the militia was controlled but he government then we wouldn't have any rights all, you moron.

Are you done? You gotta be gettin' tired of looking like an idiot some time.

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You're too stupid to understand anything in the Constitution. You didn't know that the National Guard began as a militia created by the government. LOL!

Once again, you ignore the dead child. She's the topic! Gun nuts just don't care about human lives!!!

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You're too stupid to understand anything in the Constitution.

You’re too stupid to understand a simple concept of common sense.
You didn't know that the National Guard began as a militia created by the government. LOL!

The National Guard did not begin as the militia the 2A talks about! Only a deranged fool like you would believe that! You’re a dumbass!
Once again, you ignore the dead child. She's the topic! Gun nuts just don't care about human lives!!!

Again bozo, you’re doing the same exact fucking thing you’re accusing me of!

And yes, people who love guns and love their gun rights DO care about human life! Only dumbasses like you think otherwise! FUCK OFF!!

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Car accidents are prolific despite all those driver regulations. I’m not seeing how the analogy supports your argument

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Driver regulations, safe car regulations, seat belts, drunk-driving laws, etc. have dramatically diminished car accidents. Btw, the reason the drinking age was raised to 21 from 18 was because of the high car accident rate among drunk teens.

We need to have stronger gun regulations to lower gun-related deaths, too.

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Driver regulations, safe car regulations, seat belts, drunk-driving laws, etc. have dramatically diminished car accidents. Btw, the reason the drinking age was raised to 21 from 18 was because of the high car accident rate among drunk teens.

Yet there was still over 31,000 car accident deaths in the first 9 months alone in 2022.... And the alcohol age limit was raised to 21 in 1984. Way to go using something that was changed decades ago which still doesn't prove a point because just like with gun regulations, gun restrictions and laws against guns doesnt do a damn bit of good at keeping people from being dead.
We need to have stronger gun regulations to lower gun-related deaths, too.

No, we don't and you still haven't even given me any proof that any of that shit even works. But like I keep saying, all you're doing is just restricting the good people. You're not doing anything by reducing suicides, murders or just crime in general.

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I was born during most of these car safety changes. Many lives have been saved.

And many lives lost by guns since the GQP was bought by the NRA.

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Still a lot have perished.

Nobody has lost their life to a gun.

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Guns are the #1 cause of death for American children.

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I would argue that abortion accounts for a lot more deaths than people with guns. But that probably doesnt mean shit to you, does it? Its after they are allowed to be born is when your are begins.

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If you're an evangelical, you must get rid of your gun!!!! Thou shalt not kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What??…🤣🤣🤣 How would that mean I need to get rid of my gun?

And I plan on not killing anybody but if somebody’s going to try to harm me to where it’s either me or them, I’m gonna do my damnedest to make sure it’s them, not me.

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The more I see these stories the more I am convinced that a "Responsible gun owner," is nothing but a myth.
It's a phantom.
It does not exist.
If they really were responsible then they would not bring a thing into the house which only purpose is to be deadly.

The other thing when I see these stories is I wonder what follows after this.
Do the gun owners just double down on their stupidity and keep the guns with their non compassion justifications for them or do they learn their lesson and become better people and get rid of them?
Gun owners are uncaring, unfeeling dolts in the first place who have no love or compassion while putting their freedom to own guns above safety for everyone so I wonder how these deaths change them, if at all.

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As usual, none of that is realistic or true.

Did being unarmed help the Jews in the 1930's? Russians of the 1940's?

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LOL
Like as if they had guns they would have won.

Guns ain't gonna stop that tank or that artillery shell.

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Tell that to the Afghans.

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Once again, you are comparing the 1% fuckwits and blaming it on the 99% responsible gun owners.

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Exactly, tvfan.

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"Responsible gun owner," is an oxymoron because there is not one thing at all responsible about bringing a thing into the house which only purpose is to harm and kill.

And of course I am blaming those gun owners because if they stopped buying guns then there would be a lot less and there would be a lot more safety around with less guns.
They are part of the problem and not the solution.

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If you stopped buying cars there would be fewer deaths in wrecks. Why are you so selfish???

You would enslave a nation in the name of "safety". It's an illusion, a false idol. My home is not safe because I can call the police. My home is safe because I make it so. I make it so by owning firearms, being proficient with them and being wiling to use them.

I. Make. It. So.

Not you. Not the police. Not the government. Not an ideology. Not wishful thinking. A man. With guns.

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Your house is a lot more dangerous than my home is since I do not have any guns.
I do have a baseball bat near the steel dead bolt locked door but there is never any risk of that going off accidentally!

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Sure, the consequence from an accident with a gun is a lot more severe than a bat but what ya gonna do if that intruder comes in from another way that you don't know about and your bat is by the front door??

But on the contrary, that bat could fall hurting your foot!...LOL. Yes, that was a goof but still, our guns are a lot more useful tool than that bat. What if the intruder has a gun??

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No it isn't. Guns don't "go off accidentally".

Driving to and from work every day is the single most dangerous thing the average person will ever do. Yet you do that without conscious thought. Children are more likely to die at home from drowning than at school. Yet you focus on guns. You focus on what 'they' want you to focus on.

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What another fine and retarded post that’s blessed upon us.

It’s funny how you just so blatantly view every gun owner as an idiot who is just waiting to have some kind of an accident. But responsible gun owners do exist.

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Lawlessness, aka: lax gun laws, has created the #1 cause of death for American children to be guns. And there are many "upstanding" gun owners who will happily sell their guns to criminals for a quick buck which makes our streets unsafe.

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Keelai (24603)
Lawlessness, aka: lax gun laws….

LOL, lawlessness is now somehow all the sudden known as lax gun laws? You realize you just contradicted the hell out of yourself in the one sentence, don’t you?

But moving on to this lawlessness BS. You do know we DO have laws, don’t you?

…has created the #1 cause of death for American children to be guns.

I figured it might’ve been abortion but thats right, you Lefties only care about the children that have already been born.

Anywho, let’s hear about how guns- inanimate objects- are responsible for child deaths. Why cant we just say the parents who do this are irresponsible? Why do we even have to blame the guns in the first place and then go after every gun owner’s rights by pushing all this extra regulation, restriction and laws when lets be real, they dont do shit for prevention?
And there are many "upstanding" gun owners who will happily sell their guns to criminals for a quick buck which makes our streets unsafe.

They do? Hmm. Never heard of any upstanding gun owners who sell their guns to criminals for a quick buck. If they did, they wouldn’t be upstanding gun owners, would they? I wouldn’t think they would. But of these “upstanding gun owners”- that you seem to know a lot about, why doesn’t it seem to bother you that the “criminals” also steal guns and buy/sell guns illegally on the street? They aren’t prejudice where they get them. Why not make a big deal about them too? Oh wait, I know… It’s a whole lot easier to restrict and regulate legal gun owners than it is the illegal ones.

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"Confronted with mass shootings, Texas Republicans have repeatedly loosened gun laws"
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/24/texas-gun-laws-uvalde-mass-shootings/

Mass shootings are very common in Texas.

All guns start off as legal. It's common for criminals to buy them in lawless states and bring them to stricter states and Canada.

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Maybe it’s because Texas is smart enough to realize that mass shootings and peoples gun rights don’t go hand in hand.

Yeah, just like how due to the recent legislation regarding abortion, people who live in an abortion-restricted state can just now go to one where it isn’t.

But you do realize people can buy guns illegally, anywhere, right? They don’t just have to get them from the US. But it doesn’t even matter because no matter what gun law you push for, it’s not going to keep people from buying guns and taking them to other countries. Just like how gun laws aren’t going to stop illegally-recognized people from having them. They can also steal guns and take them to Canada or other countries. Bet ‘ya didn’t think of that one, did ya?

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Obviously, mass shootings and free-fall-all guns are connected according to statistics. I know your conservative types hate science, facts and reality.

Criminals get them from red states. Blue states and Canada have been complaining about your lax gun laws.

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That may be true to an extent but there’s nothing you can do about it. And c’mon, dont be stupid. Not all the guns come from conservative states. But even if you were remotely correct, there’s no law, no restriction or even a regulation that will keep those guns out of bad people’s hands. Why, you might ask? Because laws dont get followed by criminals, bad guys and just anyone in general who has no regard of the law. THAT… is fact.

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The gun laws have recently tightened up which have lowered gun-related crime so there is a connection and plenty can be done.

The Iron Pipeline consists of 10 red states.
"in 2009 ten states (Arizona, California, Georgia, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia) supplied almost half the interstate-trafficked guns recovered at crime scenes"

Mexico is appealing a lawsuit against U.S. gun manufacturers.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-dismisses-mexicos-10-bln-lawsuit-against-gun-makers-2022-09-30/

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I don't believe that. Crime happens every day. People get shot every day. I don't see anything where these gun laws do anything to protect people.

First off, you realize you said California, right? That's one of the most gu-restrictive states out there.

And so what if they did. a lot of guns are manufactured here but a lot are also manufactured in Europe.

So what about that lawsuit. It's not the gun manufacture's fault people do illegal things with their products. You do realize a lot of guns are made for the military, don't you? But sure, lets blame the companies that make guns...🙄

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Red states with lax gun laws vs. blue states with strict gun laws.:

ALL RED:
Highest rates of gun-related deaths – counting murders, suicides and all other categories
tracked by the CDC – included Mississippi (28.6 per 100,000 people), Louisiana (26.3),
Wyoming (25.9), Missouri (23.9) and Alabama (23.6).

ALL BLUE
The states with the lowest rates included New York (5.3), Rhode Island (5.1), New Jersey (5.0), Massachusetts (3.7) and Hawaii (3.4).
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

"It's not the gun manufacture's fault people do illegal things with their products."
It is under public nuisance laws.

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Those numbers mean nothing. People are still dying regardless of all this gun law and gun control shit.

It is under public nuisance laws.

It is? Show me.

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The numbers mean plenty. Lax gun laws kill!

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YOU ARE WRONG!

We dont have lax gun laws. Get it though your head, criminals don't follow laws so why pass any more??

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Blue states don't. That's the reason gun deaths are lower.

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They still have murders from people with guns. And there is no red states or blue states as all states have a mixture of both blue and red.

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You must be CraigC. Right?

You're ignoring the topic. The little dead child. She was killed by a gun. By her sister. You love guns. You hate people. Correct?

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I’m not that CraigC guy. Why would you ask such a dumb question?

And you’re ignoring the same topic too so be careful who you point the finger at. And I am fully aware this little girl was killed by her sister, who had a gun. Yes, I love guns and I love my rights but that doesn’t mean I hate people. Why do you keep asking that? Why does screwballs like you automatically assume that people who like their guns and their gun rights don’t like people? You see, this is why people from the right don’t take people like you seriously.

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You would put your gun rights above the safety of others which is idiotic and cowardly.

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As usual, wrong again. OUR gun rights isn’t what’s making people less safe. Outlaws with guns is what makes us unsafe. If someone was to break into your house right now, whatcha gonna do? Hunker down in your closet like a little bitch and hope the cops get there in time??

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"Outlaws with guns is what makes us unsafe. "

Gun owners selling their guns to criminals make us unsafe. These gun owners need to be tracked, arrested and imprisoned along with their customers.

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So no answer to my question about if someone breaks into your home, huh? Can't say I'm surprised.

And I don't argue that but how does that relate to what I said about outlaws making us unsafe?

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I doubt it. Multiple locks and security cameras. They'll look for an easier target.
Btw, I know martial arts. Guns are for sissies.

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So where's those locks and cameras when you're not at home? And those locks and cameras don't mean shit to someone desperate. And how do you know they'll look for an easier target? You're awful confident in your assumption.

OOOh, so you think you're Bruce Lee, huh??...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Lotta good that'll do against a gun. But if guns are for sissies, why are they the number one choice for shooters? Dont see no wanna be martial artist who's watched far too many movies going around karate chopping people.

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Martial Arts has served me well. It doesn't take much for people to flee. Like I wrote, they prefer easy targets. Not a hassle or fight.

Sissies can't fight so they need guns.

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Good for you. Id say guns have served me well because I haven't had to shoot anybody and I generally don't go looking for trouble. And you're right, it doesnt take much to make people flee but not every bad guy is so quick or easy to flee.

So old people who are armed are sissies? Every woman? But on the contrary to your bulshit claim, most bad guys don't attack people with karate; they do it with a gun. Gee, Seems like I told you that in my last comment but of course you skipped around that little tidbit.... convenient.

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According to social scientists, Righties have more fear than other people. The NRA can manipulate you by raising your fear level so you rush out and buy as many guns as possible. More profit for them. Meanwhile most guns are not used for self-defense. Righties use them to commit suicide.

You're still ignoring the dead little girl. The topic.

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According to social scientists, Righties have more fear than other people.

Social scientists???….lol. Well, these “social” scientists you look up to couldn’t be any further from the truth especially when all they’re trying to do is help push the specific anti-gun agenda so no, I wouldn’t give two shits what they say or what they think.

And the only people living in fear is you clowns and the people who can’t afford to exercise their rights because the permit costs too much or they live in an area where even a permit is no guarantee it’ll be issued which is the difference of a “shall issue” state and a “may issue” state but the majority of us who are armed, why would we be living in fear? I don’t live in fear.
The NRA can manipulate you by raising your fear level so you rush out and buy as many guns as possible. More profit for them.

The NRA has nothing to do with my fear level and with my interest in buying and carrying guns. But, because of what they fight for is the reason why I’m still able to do it but other than that, that’s it.
Meanwhile most guns are not used for self-defense.

What makes you so sure? You do realize you have to follow the right news outlets in order to see where somebody very successfully defended themselves with a gun, don’t you? All the news outlets that are so interested in reporting when a school gets shot or a mall or something like that, they don’t normally report when a homeowner successfully prevents himself from being a victim in his own home. But, there is a little bit of fact in what you say because most people nowadays who have guns are the criminals and the bad guys because all these regulations you keep pushing for keep limiting more and more each day good people from being armed.
Righties use them to commit suicide.

Says who? 


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You're still ignoring the dead little girl. The topic.

And yet, so are you.

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You made up an answer. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

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Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people.

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It is Houston. The law here says one or more black people will get killed here in some way each day.

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I’m just curious but why even post shit like this? Oh wait, I know- it’s to cause a knee-jerk reaction to just push the gun-law narrative. Never mind.

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Black people in whole aren't going to put trigger locks on their guns or keep them in a safe.They won't even keep the magazine out till needed even if it takes a second to insert it.

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Why are you making this about Black people?

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Because it is a gun control post even though the poster knows it was a black family and who is the most likely cause of accidents with guns.

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Um, ok. I figured every human being was capable of mistakes regardless of color.

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elcamino is a racist. I was unaware of their race and it's irrelevant. My point is that too many American children are dying and the adults only shrug.

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Hmm… You know of adults who only shrug when something terrible like this happens? Never seen such a horrendous thing like that when something like happens.

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Absolutely. Gaslighting, too! And death threats and harassment aimed at the parents of the young school children who were slaughtered at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

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Not sure I follow on how and why someone would send death threats to parents who lost their kids for any reason.

Please elaborate.

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This is common knowledge, but not at Fox and inside other conservative bubble sources:

"Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theorist Gets Prison Time for Death Threats Against Parent "
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sandy-hook-conspiracy-theorist-gets-jail-time-death-threats-against-n769276

"Sandy Hook families testify about threats, fear of deniers"
https://apnews.com/article/shootings-school-connecticut-alex-jones-waterbury-782e495a3ece4753d857a9b47d444385

"A Parkland shooting survivor's dad found QAnon and is now convinced the massacre was a hoax and his son was a paid actor"
https://www.insider.com/parkland-survivor-qanon-convinced-dad-shooting-was-hoax-2021-7

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Hmm, I had no idea. But then again, I’m not an avid news, watcher so it could be that.

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There's a whole world of reality when you leave your self-imposed bubble.

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Has nothing to do with living in some silly perceived bubble. I just don't watch the news because it’s too government controlled. But so you proved your point about people threatening parents. Get over yourself.

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I'll give you credit for being big enough to admit you're wrong. Rare in Politics.

"it’s too government controlled."
It's more rich people controlled in the U.S.. What's wrong with the government?

It's easy to find accurate news. Stations, newspapers, radio, etc. buy their news from news agencies like Reuters, Associated Press and Agence France-Presse which all have websites.

This site lists news sources and give bias and accuracy information.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center/

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I'll give you credit for being big enough to admit you're wrong. Rare in Politics.

It's nothing really special. You showed me something I never thought would happen. Big deal. So people were receiving death threats. Happens all the time. It's nothing new. Still doesn't prove anything.
It's more rich people controlled in the U.S.. What's wrong with the government?

Rich people controlled??...lol. That's preposterous. How the hell would rich people have anything to do with what the news reports on?

But I must clarify- Not all news is government controlled, only the stuff the government doesn't want you and me to know about. As far as trusting what the news says in general, thats an issue because of the Democratic and liberal bias of most news outlets. That's.... primarily why I don't watch the news.

And what's wrong with the government, you ask? Shit, I could be here all night telling you what's wrong with our government and why they shouldn't be trusted.

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"Happens all the time."
You sound like a sociopath. No, parents of small murdered children are not threatened all the time.

"How the hell would rich people have anything to do with what the news reports on?"

Are you pretending to be stupid? I suggest you look at the networth of the owners of networks, radio stations, social media and newspapers where most people get their news.

Multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch recently testified that he told his commentators how to lie about the 2020 election in order to maintain viewers.

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Maybe it does, maybe it doesnt. I don't keep up with that so how am I all the sudden a sociopath??...lol.

But ok, so you proved what you said about rich people influence. You never said anything about who, necessarily, those rich people were.

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What's about statistics?
Illegal guns possession is consecrated to black people

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Republicans made most gun research for statistics illegal.

Are you saying white people sell illegal guns to black people?

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No I am saying black people are the ones who participate in illegal gun activity the most.

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How about the white gun owners who sell them the guns? Why are you ignoring their criminal behavior?

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You cannot blame others for the personal responsibility of those who choose to obtain an illegal gun

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Yes, I can. Don't sell guns to criminals and then complain that criminal have guns.

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Make a law so anyone caught with an illegal gun does 10 years.
Make it so people are afraid to carry an illegal gun.

But thanks to the pro crime Democrats. When a criminal is caught with an illegal gun, Democrat prosecutors work as defense attorneys and reduce charges.

Stop being the only group to act that way in future of 2023...

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They already have that law. Remember Bernie Goetz was thrown in prison?

Prevention is much better! Make a law so anyone selling a gun without a license does 10 years. Or is sent to live in Russia.

Your GQP gun nut and racist judge just made guns less safe:

"In California, state law requires new handguns to have three components: a chamber load indicator, which shows whether the gun is loaded; a magazine disconnect mechanism that will stop the gun from firing if the magazine is not properly inserted; and microstamping capability so that law enforcement can more easily link spent shell casings to the guns they were fired from."

This gun could prevent gun accidents! But, your gun cult hates common sense gun laws.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-21/federal-judge-blocks-key-parts-california-handgun-law

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The guy around the block sells guns.

And it's his responsibility if I go to him and pay for one?
Its also his responsibility for when I purchase ammo?

His responsibility when I choose to load the gun and pull the trigger.

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He shouldn't sell to criminals, children or crazies.

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Durant matter who he sells to.

What matters is who loads the gun and decides to pull the trigger.

You people hate personal responsibility. It's always someone else's fault.

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Of course, it matters to whom he sells! Criminal, paranoid schizophrenic, or licensed trained responsible gun owner are not equal.

Personal responsibility and common sense start with not selling your gun to someone who will endanger others.

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They already have that law. Remember Bernie Goetz was thrown in prison?

What about him? The only thing Bernie Goetz did wrong was living in New York City where they won’t grant you a permit unless you give them a good enough reason to have one and surprisingly enough, the fact that Bernie had been mugged several times before was not good enough reason for them to issue him a permit to exercise his fucking Second Amendment rights so again, what about him? What happened to him was just a product of these rights-infringing states. 


Prevention is much better! Make a law so anyone selling a gun without a license does 10 years. Or is sent to live in Russia.

Sent to life in Russia??…😂😂



Your GQP gun nut and racist judge just made guns less safe: 

This gun could prevent gun accidents! But, your gun cult hates common sense gun laws.


Yeah sure, one of those things could make the gun a little bit safer but that’s only the loaded chamber indicator. But then again, every real gun owner knows to treat every weapon as if it were loaded so that LCI is kind of redundant.

But that stamping bullshit is impossible and California knows this which is their plan to make it so that no guns can be legally sold in their state unless they have this stupid feature. There’s even no need to have that anyway because matching a bullet to a gun has been a thing used for a very, very long time. The magazine disconnect has its pros and cons; one pro is that if a bad guy is able to take your gun away from you and if you’re quick enough to hit the magazine release, he can’t shoot you with your own gun but depending on the model of handgun, if you ever have any kind of a malfunction, and if you accidentally press that button, then you can’t use your own gun to defend yourself.

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"Make a law so anyone caught with an illegal gun does 10 years."

Goetz went to prison for carrying an illegal gun.

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Yeah, according to New York’s bullshit and rights-infringing may issue permit law where they can restrict your rights if the reason you wish to carry doesn’t satisfy them. Hell, the dude told them he’d been mugged several other times and they still denied him his legal rights to carry.

As far as I’m concerned, he didn’t break any law because the state of New York violated his constitutional rights so screw New York. Your answer of illegally carrying a gun is invalid.

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Responsible gun owners aren’t the only ones who sell bad guys their guns. Most of them are stolen and a lot of them are sold on the streets from other criminals.

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Irresponsible gun owners who allow their guns to be "stolen" should be fined and/or thrown in jail.

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Allow???…..lol. I highly doubt anybody allows their guns, or anything for that matter to be stolen but ok, this is the first time I’ve ever heard of anyone calling for the prosecution of someone victim of theft but sure, let’s not focus our energy on the thief, let’s do it the lefty democrat way and condemn the victim.

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We apologize for ruining your day with reality, snowflake.

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Love people’s silly assumptions sometimes….LOL. They sure make my day.

But hate to burst yer bubble there pal but uh, you didn’t ruin anything so I don’t know who your calling a snowflake.

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Snowflake is like their N-Word. They took it back, or something super lame like that. 🤷‍♂️

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"so I don’t know who your calling a snowflake."


*you're

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Oh my gawd, you pointed out a typo….😱

Bet you think you deserve a trophy, don’t you.

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Most of them were raised on participation trophies... We're now seeing the end-results of that experiment.

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There were 695 homicides in Chicago last year, that's nearly 2 a day. But since they're democrats nobody cares about that.

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You admit that guns don't protect anyone.

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That sure as hell isn’t what I read. What I read was that gun laws don’t do a goddamn thing against preventing people from being murdered. And, that those 695 homicides happened in one of the most gun-restrictive cities in the US.

But just to rebut what you said, how could he possibly be saying guns don’t protect anyone if mostly only the criminals, thugs and bad guys are the ones who have them? Didn’t think about all that before posting such a retarded question, did ya.

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Your argument that guns stop crime is a lie. It raises the level of crime, CraigC.

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If more good people had guns, it probably would. But it’s kinda hard for good people to get guns because with all the current gun laws, regulations and restrictions, that just makes it even harder for the good people- aka, law-abiding citizens to get them because of all the hoops they have to jump through.

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Nonsense. Fewer guns = fewer gun deaths.That's a fact! All the American guns lead to worldwide record in gun deaths including #1 cause for American children as well as the high suicide rate for white males.

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It’s not the guns, or our gun rights! Stop drinking that government koolaid and use your fucking brain! And you’re never going to get fewer guns! Guns will always be a part of life here so stop hating them! IT’S NOT THE GUNS! You’re a fool if you believe otherwise. This country has gun rights for a reason and the COTUS doesn’t give a rats ass about your feelings because it knows better.

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Writing it's not the guns = nothing. Stats show it is the guns.

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No, those stats show it is bad people who kill people with guns. It has nothing to do with the gun itself but yeah, all the places that provide those stats want people to believe that because just like you, they foolishly believe it's the guns, too.

Try to find "car" deaths in the same manner as "gun" deaths. You're not gonna find it because it's defined under drunken driving, distracted driving, etc.

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Cars are a mode of transportation and are heavily regulated which saves lives.

Guns purpose is to kill. Not regulated like they should which is the reason gun deaths are so high.

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Yet there's thousands upon thousands who die in car accidents each year.....

Yeah, thats pretty much what guns were made for. Finally, you got something right.

But yet they are regulated like they shouldn't but there are still deaths from people with guns. And stop calling "gun" violence for chrissakes. You obviously have no idea how much of a fool you sound like trying to make it sound like an inanimate object pulls its own trigger and kills people.

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Still fewer car deaths.

Gun deaths have been going up because of lax laws.

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Yeah, so? Yet thousands upon thousands die each year irregardless of how much safer cars and roads are but sure, keep on focusing on that one little thing.

"Gun" deaths- the ones where bad guys kill people in cold blood, go up because more gun restrictions keep being made into laws that further disarm the good people. And we don't have lax gun laws. We still have BG checks- magazine restrictions- waiting periods- higher taxes on guns and ammunitions. Higher permit fees, further restrictions on what allows permit. Places we can't carry- national parks..... SCHOOLS. Dont tell me we have lax gun laws.

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You love guns. You hate people. That includes the 4-year-old little girl shot to death by her 3-year-old sister.

Defend your guns! Ignore all the dead children your guns have killed. Sociopaths sleep well at night.

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You love guns. You hate people. That includes the 4-year-old little girl shot to death by her 3-year-old sister.

YOU’RE A DUMBASS! I’ve already answered this once. 


Defend your guns! Ignore all the dead children your guns have killed. Sociopaths sleep well at night.

I will! And my rights! Don’t you worry your stupid little head about it! Go beat off to Jean Claude Van Dame and Bruce Lee movies!

And again bonehead, my guns haven’t killed anyone! What part of Idiotville did you come from? Tell me, what’s it like being a fucking idiot? I hope you’re proud of yourself. As dumb as your are, you shoulda been swallowed. Go the fuck away.

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I'm curious how you came to that conclusion.

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"There were 695 homicides in Chicago last year"

Likely most by guns. Thanks for proving that guns are useless at protection.

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I agree with you here, Keelai. Gun homicides and suicides are much more frequent, because guns are so easy. All one needs to do is to pick up the gun, aim it at somebody from a distance, pull the trigger, and there's a death, or a permanent maiming that results in an adversely compromised life.

I'll also add that a bullet does much more damage and is more likely to kill or permanently maim somebody, at least in part because a bullet travel at 20-30 times the velocity of a fist, a foot, or even a weapon such as a knife.

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Gun manufacturers want to sell as many guns as possible for profit. They don't care about people. Just profit.

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Yup! You're absolutely correct, Keelai! Moreover, most of the lawmakers here in the United States, both Republicans and Democrats alike, are in the pockets of the Gun Lobby and the NRA. It's sickening.

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Not the Democrats. It's mainly a GOP issue.

Gun control is a Democrat issue.

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Yeah, so, your point?

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So instead of focusing on the guns so damned much and how easy they are to acquire, why can’t you people put the same amount of focus you put on the guns and how easy they are to get onto the reason why somebody would want to pick up that gun and start shooting a lot of people or killing themselves?

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guns are useless at protection.


100% false. My word, reality is literally your worst enemy.

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That's a bunch of hogwash, B1cKsurN! Guns are far more often used in murders and suicides than in self-defense.

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Things like social cohesion, lack of law and order, defund the police and justice going soft on criminals have nothing to do with it.

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Why do you advocate selling guns to criminals?

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I'm curious how you came to that suggestion.

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You're completely ignoring the gun nut low-lives selling guns to criminals. You must support them.

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If that's true then please explain what I am doing to support them.

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You're completely ignoring the gun nut low-lives selling guns to criminals.

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So are the democrats running the city.

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Id like to know how thats supporting them, too.

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Keelai logic: if you don't support AC Milan then you must support Barcelona.

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Well, considering that these nearly 700 homicides happened in Chicago, you're probably right in a different sort of way because being that guns are pretty restricted in Chicago, there probably wasn't a whole lot of guns used in self-defense since not many citizens have them.

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GOP citizens sold their guns to the criminals.

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Proof?

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Common knowledge. Google iron pipeline.

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Dont need to. Next.

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Translation I do not want to look at facts.

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I would hardly call that facts.

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Translation I do not want to look at facts.

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Translation- I don't want to look at bullshit facts that mean nothing. There's a difference. Ive even you facts about how gun control doesn't work worth a shit and really doesn't do anything to make us safe, so I guess this makes this even. Gun restrictions are unconstitutional because it is in our constitution for me and you to own and bear arms. If you don't wanna be part of that then don't but leave the rest of us alone who do.

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Flee to your bubble!

You're not a well-regulated militia. You're only a gun nut.

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I have no bubble. I'm not a snowflake coward like you are.

I may not currently be a part of some militia but I do have gun rights and well yeah, I guess I am a gun nut. I do like guns, I like shooting guns and I like collecting guns.

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My point is that you as an individual have no constitutional right to a gun. 5-4 Supreme Court decision was politicized BS if you read the historical precedent for it

I don't have a problem with gun ownership when it's 100% responsible. In the U.S. it's not which is the reason for the epidemic gun deaths. Red states are causing the gun flow to criminals in blue states, Canada and Mexico. Those two Americans killed in Mexico were killed by your guns.

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Yes I do. the 2A said it right in the Bill of Rights.

And you're wrong about all that bullshit. Again, there is no red state blue state BS as all states have both red and blue influence and not only that, guns are still legal in all states so stop with this "red states causing gun flow to blue states" bullshit.

And no, these Americans killed in Mexico, whoever the hell they are weren't killed by my guns. My guns have killed no one.

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You're too ignorant to understand the 2nd amendment. It has nothing to do with you.

You're a sociopath like most gun nuts. You have completely ignored the topic of a 3-year-old shooting her 4-year-old sister to death.

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You’re too ignorant to understand common sense such obviously doesn’t have anything to do with you.

It has EVERYTHING to do with WE THE PEOPLE including your stupid ass.

And how the fuck am I a sociopath?? Do you just make it a habit calling people I correct things for proving you’re a dumbass?

I haven’t ignored anything but you’re just as guilty for what you’re accusing me of.

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He is using sophistry to change the argument because he lost the original one.

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You're not making the point you probably think you're making.

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