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John Mearsheimer on the Russia-Ukraine Situation, what should we have done?

posted 2 years ago by brux (14753)
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John Mearsheimer, from an interview with Freddie Sayers ( Nov 29, 2022 )
John Mearsheimer: The West is playing Russian roulette
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBiV1h7Dm5E&t=473s

Freddie Sayers - On the specifics of Ukraine then, what should we have done, do you think?

John Mearsheimer - Well, first of all, in April 2008, when NATO said Ukraine would become part of NATO and the Russians made it clear that was an existential threat and was unacceptable to them, we should have backed off right then. We should have done nothing more.

Then, the crisis broke out on February 22nd 2014, we should have recognized the severity of the situation and we should have backed off and worked with the Russians to create some sort of modus vivendi where the Russians felt that they weren't threatened by NATO in Ukraine and that Ukraine could remain a neutral state.

But, instead what we did was we doubled-down. Then over the course of 2021 the situation deteriorated and on December 17th, 2021, the Russians sent a letter to NATO and to President Biden, demanding that they get in writing that Ukraine would not become part of NATO.

What we should have done then is backed off and tried to work out some sort of modus vivendi where the Russians were satisfied with the situation in Ukraine and the threat of war was taken off the table. Instead we told the Russians, nothing is going to change. We are going to bring Ukraine into NATO, and we were working very hard to do that - despite the conventional wisdom in the West which says we were not. We were working to bring Ukraine into NATO.

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https://youtu.be/HBiV1h7Dm5E?t=1183
FS - What are the realistic options now?
JM - There are no realistic options now, we're screwed.

[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

you were already caught lying and posting about how there were 320k missing Ukrainians, and that their commanders were stealing all their money, and how these widows were being sold into sex slavery.

pardon me if I don't take anything you say seriously. Yes these smaller states constantly want to join NATO because Russias an aggressive neighbour. how dare they!

[–] brux (14753) 2 years ago

Sure you're pardoned, I don't care what you say or think about my comments.
Caught lying is a huge exaggeration.
And widows being sold into sex slavery is out and out made up, I never said that.

[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

no no. YOU need to man up, have some balls, and admit you spread lies and misinformation. you didn't exaggerate idiot, you wholesale invented utter nonsense.

https://moviechat.org/nm3305952/Volodymyr-Zelenskyy/631e9a15e2b2c650a18a5627/Winning-the-war?reply=638f3d2e1f2c474b98a5222f

you actually DID say it. I called you out for it. but as you alter admitted you edited your comments to remove the lies.

wow spineless coward

[–] brux (14753) 2 years ago

Thanks, but I'll figure out what I need, and you figure out what you need, which is apparently to lie at attack people.

All my utter nonsense is retail tardo.

[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

I don't need to lie. that's you man. as you showed when you invented some of the most ridiculous claims ive ever heard all cause you heard "one guy say it in a video"

its not about figuring out what we each need. one of us is a fucking liar who just regurgitates utter nonsense. that's you

[–] Quasimodo (16388) 2 years ago

John Mearsheimer is an appeaser. He also thinks that the US should abandon Taiwan. I get it because Russia and China have nukes. But does that mean they can do whatever they like, that there are no lines to cross ?

[–] Rorikon (18022) 2 years ago

What happened is working as planned. Now you got Finland and Sweden joining NATO and a cold war stalemate if not slow regression of Russian occupation. If they followed John's plan then none of this would be possible.

[–] brux (14753) 2 years ago

Russia is not a danger to either of those countries, they are and were never threatened.
Now they are going to get sucked into the pit of having to spend bigtime cash on NATO
instead of using it to build their countries - a huge waste.

And we are now spending almost a trillion dollars on defense including the money spent
for Ukraine. And Ukraine is destroyed, and Ukrainians dead or emigrated.

Russia was never a threat to any country. That is proven by the size of their defense
budget, if not by their actions.