MovieChat Forums > Politics > 50-50? How the country votes?

50-50? How the country votes?

posted 2 years ago by RomMC37 (59)
22 replies | jump to latest

Year after year it’s always a 50-50 thing nationwide. Pennsylvania/Georgia for example.
Governor races.
The Senate.
Congress.

Who’s buying this BS?
A constant 50/50 thing is hard to believe. Hold up the results to count absentee ballots? Mail-in ballots?

A national voting card is needed. If the DMV can issue valid licenses so can the Federal Government. Once the card is used for that election it is dead until the next voting cycle. Driver’s licenses and/or valid ID cards are expected to be obtained by ALL. Why not a National Voters Card?
1- you eliminate fraudulent ballots
2- one vote/one person
3- paper disappears, (for all you tree huggers)
4- a secure mainframe computer in the Colorado mountains.

I guess that’s too much to ask. The madness and drama is much more exciting, right? Blah!

[–] moviechatterer (15779) 2 years ago

Other countries ,like the UK , really dont seem to struggle as much with giving the people eligible to vote permission to do so and not letting anyone else vote.

[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

States are in charge of elections, not the federal government, therefore a national voter ID isn't doable.

BTW, each state controls their DMV.

Furthermore, the GOP doesn't want everyone voting because most Americans lean Left. That is the reason the GOP engages in voter suppression, gerrymandering and lies about election integrity.

There is no 1 person, 1 vote in the presidential election because of the Electoral College!

Computers are easily hacked. Paper is mandatory for proof!

There are no "secure computers".

Some regions are "purple" like you wrote, therefore they swing back and forth. But, many other regions are solidly blue or red.

[–] RomMC37 (59) 2 years ago

No kidding!
I know how this thing works. Thanks for inserting your knowledge on the subject.

Computers can be hacked! I get it. Like a company that Soros has ties with?

Paper and signatures are reparable without fraud or duplication?
That’s the problem, the states governing their own process.
The platform I suggested eliminates the ‘paper fraud’. You know that it exists! Liars want to keep on lying. BSer’s want to keep on BSing. And those that do the same thing, accepts this in other’s as well.
As birds like you, flock together, with other birds like you, the chit drops indiscriminately on everyone. Time for a change. It’s time to take the way this nation votes into the modern era. Paper and states are getting IT wrong.

[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

You're completely unfamiliar with U.S. elections. Do you vote? Are you American?

Soros? You're anti-Semitic? GQP?

My paper ballot had no signature. There was only an encrypted code identifying me. The computer records my vote using my paper ballot, but the paper ballot is kept. Why is keeping the paper ballot as proof a problem for you? There is a computer vote (digital) AND paper ballot backup as proof aka: physical proof!

The only paper fraud is a conspiracy theory. GQP voter suppression is the greater problem - not negligible and rare voter fraud cases.

U.S. elections are governed by the Constitution which gave power to the states. Good luck with changing that! Red states won't go along with nationalized elections since they'll lose the unfair advantage they have.

[–] RomMC37 (59) 2 years ago

None of your business on ALL of your questions. Who are you that I should answer to?

* The computer records my vote using my paper ballot.*

LOL the same computer that you said could be hacked?

Get off of your flimsy soap-box and stand on firm ground. We know how you think. You are right and everyone else is wrong.

[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

You're deflecting!

Instead of running away, defend your position by explaining how you will turn the elections over to the Federal government when the Constitution says the states have sole jurisdiction over them?

You don't vote. I figured that.

If the computer is hacked, my paper ballot provides physical evidence of my vote. Why would you want to get rid of physical evidence which could be used in a recount if the computer was hacked?

Ad hominen from you is your admittance that you lost the debate.

[–] RomMC37 (59) 2 years ago

Cherry-picking the Constitution! That’s rich. Your brethren is trying to tear it up. I believe you are a confused and lost little person with inner-turmoil twisting your insides in knots. Boy/Girl thing going on. Come Tuesday, you’ll disappear for a while. Licking your wounds crying FOUL! Wednesday you’ll be on here crying how the GOP stole this thing...nation wide!

[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

You're full of conspiracy theories, bigotry and partisan bias. Too bad since your topic was interesting. Your ideas aren't workable nor practical. You have failed to further expand on them when I pointed out the flaws.

[–] RomMC37 (59) 2 years ago

Okay

[–] RomMC37 (59) 2 years ago

I am anything and everything that you say I am. So what? Now what? On Tuesday, you lose. Can you change that?

[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

"you lose"

You lose, too! You're spitting in the wind. The GOP promised to wreck Social Security and Medicare which will hurt you, also.
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/6366d144fa8bc206081eb728/GOP-Will-Cut-Medicare-and-Social-Security-DETAILS

[–] chilidoggg (14326) 2 years ago

Both Republicans and Democrats engage in gerrymandering. Everyone thinks the process is sleazy, but at the end of the day someone has to draw the maps. That's why every election is important.

Gerrymandering cuts both ways. The Majority Party wants to make as many districts 90% Minority, so that there are more 60/40 Majority districts. Those 90% Minority districts are going to have the extreme left/right candidates and the 60/40 Majority districts will be more middle-of-the-road.

[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

Presently, the GOP is much worse.
We can redistrict the way they do in real democracies:

"Most democracies outside the English-speaking world elect more than one representative per district. You simply add a seat to a district that has grown, and subtract that seat from one that shrink.

In most other long-term democracies, a politically neutral body draws new districts — perhaps a quasi-judicial body or nonpartisan administrative board or commission. The redistricting bodies of some countries, such as New Zealand, include representatives of the major parties.

Single-member districts in Mexico are drawn in concordance with an algorithm developed by a so-called technical committee implementing “good government” criteria of districting."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/07/the-supreme-court-will-soon-consider-gerrymandering-heres-how-changes-in-redistricting-could-reduce-it/

In the U.S., single-seat, winner-takes-all districts could be replaced by multi-seat districts with some form of proportional representation and a shift to a commission-based form of districting.

[–] Gd5150 (11771) 2 years ago

CA would currently be 52/48 Dems without Democrat vote harvesting. Instead it’s 80% Dems in the legislature and they’ve had total majority for 25 years. Hence why it’s become such an utter s hole.

[–] B1cKsurN (17484) 2 years ago

Leftists that know their power depends on cheating, will fight any real election reform discussion or action.

[–] BeaSouth (3346) 2 years ago

What’d you make of Biden’s recent speech emphasizing a bizarre warning that “we won’t know the winner of the election for a few days” because “it takes time to count all legitimate ballots,” and adding, “It’s always been important for citizens in the democracy to be informed… Now it’s important for a citizen to be patient.” I cant figure out where this was coming from. First, we have sitting president warning that his opponents are a violent existential threat and then he announces in advance that counting votes may take a long time. Especially in the context of unfavorable polling against the Dems right now, it almost seemed designed to encourage conspiratorial doubts about coming results. If a Democrat is declared a paper-thin winner in a key close race in Georgia or Pennsylvania, is the President trying to script a scenario to produce instability and suspicion and violence by Repubs that will allow him to say “I told you so” and improve his chances in 2024? Why else would he say these lines in his speech?

[–] RomMC37 (59) 2 years ago

That is interesting. In many ways. Seeing what they have recently done (4 years) of Russia disinformation, collusion, suppressing the Hunter lap top story, etc.
My thought, is, Biden is priming the pump. Making a case for an uprising if the Dems lose big. Acting philosophical and predicting mayhem as a result. I believe him! I believe that chaos will ensue this election. And I also believe those creating the chaos will be Antifa dressed in Trump gear. Saying “See, I told you so!” I still have a hard time believing that 06 January were Trump supporters. That’s just me, no valid proof to back that up. Just an instinct. Pelosi denied requested National Guard. The Capitol police were too friendly as well.
I think this recent Biden speech and ‘fortune telling’ has some validity to it. Because it is already planned and in the works. My guess is that the Democratic cities will see a stream of violence that will exhaust everyone. I hope I’m wrong...but...seeing beyond what is obvious is a blessing and a curse. Wait and see! Like I said, I hope I’m wrong.

[–] B1cKsurN (17484) 2 years ago

What’d you make of Biden’s recent speech emphasizing a bizarre warning that “we won’t know the winner of the election for a few days” because “it takes time to count all legitimate ballots,” and adding, “It’s always been important for citizens in the democracy to be informed… Now it’s important for a citizen to be patient.”

Translation: "We're gonna cheat the fuck out of this election again!"

[–] CowherPower4Ever (241) 2 years ago

This issue with this split you're are speaking of, prime example being Pennsylvania where the Republican Senate candidate looks like he can very much win, while the candidate for governor is getting rocked, is its a non Presidential year. Voters tend to more willing to split on the ballot when the Presidential race isn't on there.

And how badly will the GOP kick themselves if and when Oz wins the Senate race in PA but gets crushed in the Governor race because they nominated an extreme nutcase like Mastriano. Oz has been playing his race for Senate extra safe and its now paying off big time. Meanwhile Mastriano can't even make a public appearance.

[–] RomMC37 (59) 2 years ago

The ‘split’ that I’m talking about is with the polls and polling. It’s always appearing in tight races regardless of what state it is. 49-48...48-47...51-49 etc., year after year. I have a hard time buying the fact, that 100,000’s or even millions of people are split down the middle like that! Continuously! No matter who’s running or from what party. This 50/50 things makes cause for a ‘run off’. Ballot re-count all too often. Then all the shady stuff comes into play.
Once (again) it’s Pennsylvania/Georgia holding the keys to the asylum! Why? The law of averages can’t be (that/this) close year after year. Common sense tells one that. Yes, in football the Steelers and Ravens are 37-36 something like that...I can buy that! But thousands of people voting and things are always that close, every election cycle? Not buying it!

[–] RomMC37 (59) 2 years ago

Holding the country in check until January? Until they sort this mess out?
More contentious rhetoric and mistrust abound. Causing constant anxiety dividing people more and more. Sure. Why not? What else do WE have to do? The new normal...abnormalities!

[–] B1cKsurN (17484) 2 years ago

Faked polls to create the plausible deniability for election/vote fuckery.