Where did I say I wanted to steal people's money? I said not everyone who has wealth did it by hard work that is all.
You are advocating using other people’s income to pay for everyone’s medical bills in the entire country. That can be considered stealing, unless you’re Robin Hood. And sadly, I see you’re an advocate for socialism.
Well, you didn’t answer my question about how socialized medicine was going to change any of that either. “Tax everyone else more” would probably be your answer.
To answer the question you asked me, is I don’t know.
Socialism is what it is. Call it a “scare” word if you want. It’s a bullshit system. You can see it any way you like. To me it is trying to supposedly “even the playing field” by punishing the people who have worked hard, or have superior skills, that have allowed them to achieve wealth, success, and the American Dream. It is throwing everything in a big pot and spreading the wealth, regardless of work ethic or effort put in. That is NOT a fair system either. Some people can’t figure out that life isn’t fair, and no one owes you anything. It doesn’t mean people won’t help you, but they should not be forced by the government to hand over large chunks of their income to pay for everyone else’s issues. Socialism is fairy tale land. It does not exist. You have NO RIGHT to spend the money that I or anyone else earns. Taxes are legalized stealing. So it just depends on what people are willing to have their government stolen income pay for. Everyone feels differently about that. I draw the line at roads, police, fire, and K-12 education. You want to it go much further. And your side, the Bernie Sanders “free shit for everybody” cult, is winning, so be happy about that. Steal away.
And, as I say a million times, if you love Canada’s or Sweden’s health care, feel free to go there to a health system and a country that you would enjoy more than this one. There, your problem is easily solved.
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einsteinfountain (922)
4 years ago
If it gets passed then it would be perfectly legal and would not be considered stealing. So does that mean I get stolen from when paying for the police, fire department and schools for people I do not know?
I never said socialized medicine would fix any of that. I do think it would help the country quite a bit though. See and there you go you have no answer to that either.
Life is not fair and nor do I expect it to ever be. The problem is you guys go well life is not fair therefore lets just keep things the same and not try to improve things. With that mentality we would be stuck in old ways of thinking. Life is not fair but you do your best to make it as fair as you can possibly make it. I have never collected welfare in my life and had a parent who worked 2 and 3 jobs and was single that worked every day to support us. We got called trash, lazy and scum because we did not have money. Despite us never collecting welfare we got looked down upon because we were poor. As I stated earlier some people did not work hard or have superior skills, some people got lucky and had a rich parent. That is simply the luck of the draw. Maybe that parent scammed their way for their money who is to know. I am not saying some did not achieve it by hard work but not every person did.
If you left it up to these corporations they would suck up all resources and not pay anyone anything. Government has to get involved or else they would screw us over. Jeff Bezos did not pay his workers hardly anything until Sanders and co forced him to. How much does Amazon make again? Well again I can say well I do not want to pay for roads, police, fire, and k-12 education. Why is it we can't selectively choose which we want to fund? Sociaism is so bad but I bet you anything people do not hesitate to cash their social security checks. Nor I bet did anyone who got their stimulus return it. So you do not believe in social security, farm price supports, and bank deposit insurance then. All that was called socialism.
Just because I want my country to do better does not mean I hate it. I simply do not like the healthcare system.
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sut6432 (2908)
4 years ago
We got called trash, lazy and scum because we did not have money. Despite us never collecting welfare we got looked down upon because we were poor.
That sucks you had such shitty people around you. A lot of people suck and are mean and rude. I don’t see the significance of that to this discussion. Tell them to piss off. I grew up lower middle class. I’m not even close to rich now (30’s), but I stand by everything I said. You can pick and plug every kind of situation you want, it will not change my stance, as I’m sure no matter what I say will not change yours. You have the numbers in your favor, so you’ll get your socialism sooner or later unfortunately, and you’ll see how fair it is.
I hate social security, and would be fine without it. Personal responsibility. I can save for retirement. I only have SS because I am forced to. When my Dad died, my Mom was unable to collect my Dad’s social security because she would have lost hers when she retired. So the money he paid into it helped everyone who is exploiting it, not my family that needed it.
I consider the stimulus checks the government returning our stolen tax dollars. Plus, the government forced people to stop working, so they damn well better reimburse those they forced out of work. I HATE when people use stimulus checks as an excuse for socialism. It’s like if a bully breaks your arm, then gives you a band aid, then says, “at least I didn’t break your other arm and your legs...you should thank me for that band aid.”
If it gets passed it would be perfectly legal? 🤣 Yeah, it would be legal stealing. You really love and trust the government, don’t you. They never do anything wrong. Tax the living shit out of everyone, but “it’s ok...they passed it into law.” 😂
Addiction is a horrible and sad thing. I don’t care if marijuana is legalized. Hard drugs that cause people to kill and steal to get their fix should not be legal. What does that have to do with our conversation?
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einsteinfountain (922)
4 years ago
See and this is the problem your mind is made up no matter what scenario gets presented to you. I have actually changed my stance on many things because I was open to hearing a logical explanation. For instance my stance on drugs has changed because I had an open mind and became more educated. That stubborn stance of not willing to change a stance is what is killing our country. I bring this up because this is part of the issues in our country. Everyone wants to blame the illegals, the welfare system but no one wants to say anything about the war on drugs and medical debt. That causes issues as well you know.
At least you are consistent in disliking it. However you never disputed farm price supports and bank deposit insurance. Why is it I have no issue with helping others and I have never collected welfare or had anyone else pay my way. Am I not taking personal responsibility? Sounds to me like you need to go ahead and move out of America since my side is winning eye roll.
Government workers were still paid while they were off. So should they give back their stimulus check? I bet you money not one of them did. I am not saying you should be grateful I just find it hypocritical. The people who claim they hate socialism so bad will not hesitate to utilize it when it benefits them.
Legalized theft? Yeah and private companies such as Amazon, Walmart etc never do anything wrong. They never underpay employees and drain a town of it's resources and then up and leave killing off the economy. See you Government=bad private companies=good. I can admit there has been bad things the government has done but there has been good they have done as well. Same goes for the private industry.
All drugs should be legalized. Drug addiction should be treated as a medical issue not a legal one. The cartels are in power because there is a black market for those drugs. If they were legal it gives society more control over the drugs. It has tons to do with our conversation because you have a naive view on how society works. Americas motto for winning the war on drugs. Hey these drugs can ruin your life. So lets charge you with a felony and ruin your life to protect you from ruining your life. Watch these two videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJUXLqNHCaI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8yYJ_oV6xk
Drug abuse happens no matter if it is legal or not. It is an unwinnable war. If drugs were legal tomorrow would you go out and do them? The law should only interfere with a person when they are infringing on someone else's rights. If you want to do drugs and it is not causing anyone else harm you should be free to. I do not condone drug use but there is a better way to fight it.
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sut6432 (2908)
4 years ago
All drugs should be legalized.
This is where we part ways. That statement is insane to me. Legalize things like meth and heroin? Wow. Just wow.
We’re talking in circles at this point anyway. We disagree. It happens. Take care.
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einsteinfountain (922)
4 years ago
Alright but out of curiosity why are you posting here if you no intention of changing your mind? You want others to change their view but you aren't open to changing yours?
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sut6432 (2908)
4 years ago
Because for the time being it’s still a free country. I like the persuasive discussion. However, I will never but into the “free everything for everybody” argument of socialism, or the legalization of drugs that destroy not only the lives of people that are addicted to them, and their families, but the innocent lives affected by the crimes that meth, heroin, etc. addicts commit.
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einsteinfountain (922)
4 years ago
I know it's a free country but it seems silly to discuss something you are not open to changing your mind on. I openly told you I used to believe in the war on drugs. Once I got more educated on the topic and studied drug abuse, i talked to educated police and drug addicts my mind changed. I then studied law. Things I have no intention on changing my mind on I will not discuss.
You can't come against my drug argument you literally dig your heels in and place your fingers in your ears. If drugs were legal tomorrow would you do them? Do you need the law to tell you what to put into your body? I don't do drugs and that wouldn't change whether they were legal or not. Are there any drug addicts that have never committed a violent crime against another person? Answer carefully. I have not insulted you once, I'm just up for a civil debate.
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sut6432 (2908)
4 years ago
I know you have some trouble with the word literally, haha. Just messing around.
If drugs were legal tomorrow would you do them? Do you need the law to tell you what to put into your body? I don't do drugs and that wouldn't change whether they were legal or not. Are there any drug addicts that have never committed a violent crime against another person? Answer carefully.
No, I wouldn’t do them, but I’m not a drug addict. No, I don’t need the law to tell me what to put in my body. Yes, there are drug addicts who never committed a crime other than consuming illegal drugs, but I know there are also drug addicts who fried their babies in a microwave because it cried too loud, or murdered their parents to rob them so they could get their next fix. BECAUSE OF DRUGS. I think more drugs addicts break the law than don’t break the law, whether it is murder, robbery, or even something like a DUI that puts other people in danger. If these drugs were made legal...would that make them stop cooking meth and shooting up heroin? No. Would that make them quit drugs because the “law” is no longer worried about it? No. Would they stop destroying the lives of themselves or the people around them? No. Would overdoses decrease? No. People addicted to these substances need help, but are also a danger to themselves and other people, and sometimes need to be removed from society until they can either get the help they need, or until they realize what a danger they are and will accept help. That is where the law comes in, to protect other people. Please tell me why you think drugs like crystal meth and heroin should be legal? I’m still trying to understand your point of view on this.
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einsteinfountain (922)
4 years ago
Okay you just admitted you wouldn't do drugs for if they were legal tomorrow. This proves that the people who are currently doing drugs will do them and those who have no desire or are not an addict will not. This shows the law is not a deterrent for using drugs. There are people who have gotten 20 years or life for marijuana.
That's just it though when they get locked up for whatever drug they do what happens? They get a felony on their record and get slapped with legal fees. Now once you are out no one will hire you therefore they relapse back into their drug habit easier. People are as we speak committing violent crimes because of drugs. Law is not protecting people from this. The law should only be concerned with what another person is doing when they infringe on someone else's right. If someone committed a violent crime while on drugs they should be charged just as a person would be for committing a violent crime while not on drugs. Key is we need to be able to rehabilitate people and get them back into society. The ones that commit no violent crimes of course. That way instead of slapping a felony on their record they can get a job and not be blacklisted and relapse. Ever consider that?
If you are cooking meth in an apartment or a rented house, or with kids or others inside that should be illegal. The reason being meth contaminates buildings and you don't own an apartment or a rented home. If someone owns property and wants to cook meth in their personal rv or motor home with only them in it why is that our concern? Did you watch those videos links I provided you? That explains the drug war.
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einsteinfountain (922)
4 years ago
So no response?
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sut6432 (2908)
4 years ago
In my opinion, your post was all over the place and makes no sense to me. I didn’t feel like saying the same thing for the 5th time.
I did not watch your links, because I didn’t care to. I could easily send you a propaganda video about why hard drugs should be illegal as well. If you get caught cooking meth, you SHOULD get a felony on your record, whether you have kids around or not. I say again for the people in the back, THESE DRUGS DESTROY LIVES and everyone around them, and should not be made, distributed, or taken. If you are caught making them, dealing them, or using them you should go to jail.
The only thing you wrote that I agree with is that people should not get 20 years in prison for marijuana, and I don’t think that happens often, if ever.
Ok, I’m done talking about your beliefs on highly addictive and destructive drugs being legalized on a post about whether or not people agree with universal health care. It was a better debate than most I’ve had on here, which is nice for a change. Have a great day.
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einsteinfountain (922)
4 years ago
The links I sent you were not even long videos. One of the videos I sent you was 6 minutes in length. The other one was a point made by a retired police officer. I honestly thought you might find them insightful... I should have known better though, keep on being blind bud. Go ahead and send the video that makes the argument of why drugs should be illegal. All it would be is exactly what you just said a propaganda video. I am open to you sending me them and I will gladly watch them. See that is just it you know the videos will dispel your argument therefore you stick your head in the sand. I am confident in my position therefore I am open to watch any video you want to throw at me. They do destroy lives but slapping a felony on someone's record also destroys lives.
Hey drugs are bad and can ruin your life therefore lets charge you with a felony and ruin your life to protect you from ruining your life. Doesn't that sound counterproductive to you? If drugs were legal you realize it takes away the cartel's power? You know those people who profit off the suffering of millions of people and live like kings.
Lol you do not think that happens often if ever? Okay here check this out. https://norml.org/laws/federal-penalties-2/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/22/four-in-ten-u-s-drug-arrests-in-2018-were-for-marijuana-offenses-mostly-possession/
https://campaigns.organizefor.org/petitions/serving-life-w-hard-labor-w-o-parole-for-20-of-marijuana
You are free to walk away. However I do not respect those that bury their head in the sand and will not check out factual evidence given. Continue listening to only the points you want to hear, and expect for people to take you seriously.
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sut6432 (2908)
4 years ago
They do destroy lives but slapping a felony on someone's record also destroys lives.
So you feel bad for the drug dealers and drug users getting a felony, but not the people that they hurt by their criminal actions? 🤦🏻♂️
...and whether you respect me or take me seriously, or not, is not something that concerns me in the slightest. You want heroin and meth to be legal. 🤣
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einsteinfountain (922)
4 years ago
When did I say I did not feel bad for the people they harm? I said that if they commit a crime against others they should be charged the same as someone would be who committed a crime against someone while not on drugs. If they do not harm anyone else and only do drugs it should not be a crime.
Correction I want all drugs to be legal. I can lob that right back you are one of those people who believes in the war on drugs. You should congratulate drugs for winning the war on drugs. Notice I did not just say oh you believe in the war on drugs burn! That is the childish level of debating you have sunk to. He believes in legalizing drugs burn! Okay elaborate you did not lol. I provided links and provided arguments. That is how debating works.
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snepts (11123)
4 years ago
M-F ! Do you think it's okay to bilk thousands of people out of their $$?
And will YOU leave this country because you don't like the current policies?
Please move to whatever oligarchic utopia you find welcoming. Saudi, perhaps?
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