How many T-rumpers and republicans are going to refuse that $1,000 check from the government? - Politics Discussion

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Republicans are still not raising their hands!

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Sure. I'll raise my hand. How about you? How about your leftist pals? Didn't you just make a post quoting JFK today?

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Remember that? It was only a few hours ago. What are YOU doing for your country? Sucking on the teat of the US.

Well? Are you going to refuse it, or are you going to take the hand out like a bum? Just know that with all of your vitriol and venom and bitterness in your black heart, you're still going to VOLUNTARILY accept it from a person you've berated and bad mouthed since day 1. Morals be damned when it comes to getting cash, yes?

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

Republicans are against socialism, remember?

Trump doesn't know what he's doing. The problem isn't Americans not spending. The problem is the millions of businesses that had to close because of the virus. I can't go to the museum, movies, concert or aquarium because they are closed. Those businesses need to be reopened asap.

Same with the stock market. Lowering the interest rates isn't going to do anything. Trump needed to concentrate on the virus which he ignored as a "hoax" for months. Now, it's too late.

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[–] TinaKimo (892) 5 years ago

Now tramp is saying he knew it was a pandemic before anyone else!!! I'm so sick of the lies coming from this orange bastard!

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

"Trump argues 3.4% death rate from coronavirus is 'false,' citing a 'hunch' in claiming it's far lower"
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-claim-death-rate-coronavirus-word-health-organization-2020-3

He's done a great deal of damage.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

He's doing more damage than he can survive.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

None of the T-rumptards are going to refuse the handout. Shitman27 will be the first to raid his neighborhood mailboxes and steal checks from his neighbors. They don't believe in socialism until it suits them - such patriots, eh ?

This is going to take down T-rump in November. There is so much chaos from him and his administration and now it's strangling his economy. That's the only thing he's pinned his hopes on.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

This is the damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. You bitched and moaned that Trump wasn't listening to the "experts" and now when he takes the advice of the "experts", you bitch and moan about that too. Now you're going to say, had he listened earlier, we wouldn't be in the current situation. Easy to say knowing what we know now.

Simple fact is is that Bernie or Biden wouldn't have closed the borders and issued a travel ban EVEN NOW. So how bad would it be if one of them were President? Look at the media stirring up a panic in everything running their pointless doomsday scenarios. How does that help, pray tell?

Of course, businesses being opened is what we need. That's how our economy chugs along. It doesn't help anybody unless you're a black-hearted SOB like dogdump that doesn't care about the collateral damage as long as Orange Man Bad. All we can hope for is a flattening of the curve will happen sooner than later so the businesses and life will be back to normal operations.

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

Trump refused 1 million tests from the WHO, defunded the CDC, ended the NSC pandemic office Obama had created, defunded other health organizations and agencies. Stop defending that POS.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Can you drill down more than this? Give me more details than just the surface generalizations.

For instance, the SNAP program is basically food stamps. This program is specifically designed to offer subsidized nutritional food to low income families, yet families are still allowed to purchase junk food and soda with their SNAP benefits. By cutting these purchases, it makes families healthier and the program can actually handle a cut back and still be better overall.

So give me some additional details, komrade. Maybe you're right, so convince me with some hard facts.

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

What does food stamps have to do with the pandemic? Deflect much?

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

I gave you an example of defunding a program doesn't automatically mean the department is worse off or cannot still perform its intended tasks. Must I explain every damn thing to you dems? Seriously, learn how to read and comprehend and get some INDEPENDENT THOUGHT before prattling your chepooka. Pay attention!

Now give me some facts rather than generalizations. At this point, I pretty sure I won't get any, but then again, what else is new? Still nothing with you either, komrade.

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

"'Gross misjudgment': Experts say Trump's decision to disband pandemic team hindered coronavirus response"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/03/18/coronavirus-did-president-trumps-decision-disband-global-pandemic-office-hinder-response/5064881002/

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

I appreciate the link, unlike you shameless and proven liar pal, dogdump.

I question the word "experts" in the headline. I'd rather have a name rather than a generalized phantom honorific. Who are these so called "experts" anyway? The article doesn't name them.

Reading the article, it's reasonable to assume the reaction would've been different, but it is only conjecture that they would've done anything quicker or better. It's possible. That's about it.

One of the facts that you fail to acknowledge is China. We know that's where it came from and we know the Chinese government suppressed any news from getting out. We don't trust their official numbers. Just looking at China vs. Italy, the discrepancy is noticeable.

If the Chinese govt was forthcoming with their crisis, would we be in a global pandemic? Absolutely not. Europe would've banned all travel to China much earlier.

There is no question the virus came from China and their govt obfuscated it to the world, thus exacerbating the problem even further. Yet, you dems politicize the virus and try to score points. You begged for a recession and you got what you wished for. I hope you're happy. One poster's dad was about to retire and now he's got less to retire on. Does that make you happy?

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[–] JoWilli (20275) 5 years ago

" you dems politicize the virus and try to score points. You begged for a recession and you got what you wished for. "

Totally agree, be careful what you wish for.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Proof of any of these conspiracy theories you agree with ?

Not even Sean Hannity is spewing this bullshit these days.

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[–] JoWilli (20275) 5 years ago

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/465150-frustrated-democrats-still-hoping-in-vain-for-recession

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/25/rooting-recession/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/09/maher_im_hoping_for_a_crashing_economy_so_we_can_get_rid_of_trump_bring_on_the_recession.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zlcdVOZq_4

https://www.newsweek.com/delaney-accuses-democrats-cheering-recession-spite-trump-1455553

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/trump-recession-bill-maher/

https://apnews.com/4a0e49f91c6043119e8b4ba4c510ae31

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/dont-root-for-a-recession/596500/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dont-wish-for-a-recession-even-if-you-hate-trump-173037270.html

https://newrepublic.com/article/154793/democrats-plan-next-recession

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/2020-democrats-try-to-criticize-trump-without-cheering-on-a-recession

https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-delaney-dems-are-cheering-on-a-recession

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

1. You offered a republican op-ed from the republican site 'The Hill'. Pass
2. Same for the WashingtonTimes. Pass.
3. Maher is a Libertarian. Pass.

Three strikes, JoWill. You're out.

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[–] JoWilli (20275) 5 years ago

lolz fail!

oops

winning...

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

Your excuses for Trump won't fly. Trump spent months ignoring the warnings from doctors who told him to act immediately. He has repeatedly downplayed this crisis and is now trying to shift his incompetence elsewhere. He waited until the situation became dire in the U.S.

Meanwhile, Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan took Coronavirus seriously from day one. They had the same information Trump had, but acted differently and they have largely contained the virus in their countries without having to resort to mass shutdowns of businesses which is a drastic last step to avoid a catastrophic death toll.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

When was day one exactly?

Ignoring the warnings from doctors? Which doctors are you referring to exactly? You have any names? Give me specifics rather than generalities.

Where did he try to "shift his incompetence"?

I don't know if you looked on a map recently, but Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan, are MUCH CLOSER to China WHERE THE VIRUS CAME FROM. Don't you think their national concerns were much more immediate compared to the US? What about Europe? Who's fault is that? Trump?

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

I can tell you don't work nor do you have any money invested or your nose wouldn't still be up Trump's rump supporting hm.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Wrong and wrong. None of my investments are in the short term. Since I haven't and don't intend to realize any gains or losses at this time, my investments are unaffected. As my investments aren't invested in any companies threatened to go under, I am safe to leave them as is. However, the drop is a buyer's window. It's an excellent time to get in at the ground floor. I already recommended Disney too you. Even Barrons magazine concurred. Don't let the opportunity get away.

What makes you think I don't work, pray tell? I'm curious to know how you came to this conclusion. Let's hope it wasn't just a feeble attempt to insult me.

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

"Since I haven't and don't intend to realize any gains or losses at this time,"

What nonsense! If your stock is down 50% then you have a 50% loss. In order to break even, your stock will have to rise 100%. Good luck with that!

Disney? Bleech!

Unless your work is repossessing cars, you're very calm about the millions of jobs which could be lost. Or are you expecting Trump's socialist welfare check to hold you over for a few months.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

There's a difference between realized and unrealized gains and losses. One is not taxed on unrealized gains. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

You're not too smart or savvy, komrade keelai. Mark it today. Disney is at $93. It's 52 wk high is $153. You really don't think the stock will rise $20 for an easy 20% profit? That's being conservative too. When it does, just remember the wise words of Willy Wonka, "You get nothing! You lose! Good day sir!"

I'm calm about the millions of jobs to be lost? What am I supposed to do about it, exactly? Yeah, it sucks and if you want to bitch about it, why aren't you bitching to your pal and shameless liar, dogdump? He's gleefully posting the bad news with joy. Seems kind of hypocritical to be lectured by your dumb ass when your pal has been proliferating the board merrily posting Orange Man Bad propaganda. Collateral damage be damned! Give him your phony sanctimonious lecture and then maybe I'll take you a bit more seriously.

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

More nonsense!

Paying or not paying taxes has nothing to do with the fact that you suffered a -35% loss in your savings. That "unrealized gains" is BS from "smart money" to keep "dumb money" in the stock market while they exit. Notice how multiple senators sold their stock after a Coronavirus briefing:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/03/20/senators-accused-of-insider-trading-dumping-stocks-after-coronavirus-briefings/#7db135ce4a45

"You really don't think the stock will rise $20 for an easy 20% profit?"

To each their own, but I don't buy stocks in a Bear market. Disney dropped another -9.43% today. Disney has been tanking since December. It's all about earnings.

"What am I supposed to do about it, exactly?"
You can start by not supporting that idiot Trump who made a bad situation worst.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Yeah. That's basically insider trading. That's not cool, but what's your point? Did I, or the public know this before hand?

The point is in a 401K is you buy incrementally. Thus, during this down time, I am buying on the cheap. Buying on the cheap mitigates my unrealized losses and when I feel the time is right, I will redistribute into safer investments. What's so hard about that?

Disney was in the $140's in December. It's the coronavirus that has dropped it under $95. Look at the company? Is there anything wrong with it? Is the company still on a sound financial base? It may go down even more, which means you can buy it for even cheaper, but it ain't going to $0. What about it's earnings? If it was trending around 140 before the pandemic, why wouldn't it go back once the dust settles? Even if it doesn't go back to 140, it'll still go up by $20 for your 20-30%.

As if Biden would've done a better job. He wouldn't have even issued a travel ban. How bad would it have been if he were President? Spare me your chepooka and give me facts not your indoctrinated script quotes.

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

Buy and hold strategy usually means any money you made during a Bull market you end up ultimately losing during a Bear market. Losses can take years or even decades to just break even.
https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2017/03/23/Photos/NS/MW-FI823_DowCor_20170323160402_NS.png?uuid=dc21ed9a-1003-11e7-9078-001cc448aede

Disney closed its parks and delayed its movie openings which also effect merchandise. They also have millions of Star Wars fans angry at them for messing up the trilogy. That all effects earnings which drive the market and stock prices up.

You do know that $140 isn't earnings, right? That's just the former stock price.

Trump is working with the Russians to destroy America. Continue to support that traitor.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Give me proof that Trump is working with Russia to destroy America. While you're at it, give me proof that Jill Stein and Tulsi Gabbard are russian assets as well.

Yes. Everything is closed and delayed. Why? Because of the pandemic, not because of something related to Disney. If you hadn't noticed, EVERYTHING is closed. It's not like people don't want to go to the movies or go to Disneyland. It's because THEY CAN'T. That's a huge difference when evaluating a company.

If you incremental buy stock and never realize it until you retire, do you get more out of your investments in a fluctuating market or in a perpetual bull market?

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

How much Disney stock did you buy last week?

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

None yet. Hoping for the misfortunes on other is a very despicable quality. Apparently you want to be just like your pal, dogdump, yes?

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

In other words, you're all talk! Stop supporting a stock that you're not buying.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Just because I haven't pulled the trigger yet, doesn't mean I'm not looking into it. So, you've completed the trifecta of idiocy. How do you feel? Like a winner? Good for you.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

He waited until the situation became dire in the U.S.

And that day, we all know, is when the markets crashed -wiping out three years of financial gains in a matter of days - and he could no longer brag about his economy - which is what he was resting his re-election on. Someone convinced him the old schtick wasn't working any more - must've been Sean Hannity.

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[–] TexasJack (12516) 5 years ago

Trump did not refuse test kits from WHO

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/health/who-coronavirus-tests-cdc/index.html

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[–] Keelai (34982) 5 years ago

WHO:
"Having the genetic sequence of the virus has enabled the rapid development of tests, and as I mentioned yesterday, we have shipped 250,000 tests to more than 70 laboratories around the world, and we’re training lab workers to use them."

Exactly! They shipped no tests to America which delayed our response. Trump didn't ask for any. He closed the pandemic agency which would've been more responsive to Coronavirus and would've seen the importance in starting asap as the "70 laboratories around the world" did.

We needed those tests and training. Biden already mentioned that Trump preferred the U.S. develop their own which wasted time. Why not do both? I know Trump spent months downplaying the seriousness of the virus by calling it fake news and a hoax.

Trump rejecting or not asking. Same difference. Same result. The buck stops with him.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Thank you for correcting TimMCT-rump. He's believing everything FOX is feeding him.

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[–] scorpioKing (0) 5 years ago

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Yes, I know he's pro socialism. That's been well established. That's not why he's hypocritical. He's hypocritical, because his standards change from accepting a policy that benefits him while at the same time bad mouthing him for the same policy.

Yes, he can donate it to charity. Doesn't mean he's going to, is he?

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

It is hypocritical for Shitman27 to accept the check, as well as the other T-rumptards. This is their time to stand against socialism, refuse their check, and rip apart T-rump for even entertaining this idea. This is not what T-rump values stand for, at all.

But they won't. They will raise their little hands and open wide - a windfall for them, because now they believe in socialism.

Such a deplorable group of people.

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[–] chilidoggg (14327) 5 years ago

Here's how I'll be spending that $1,000:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Donald-Trump-Toilet-Paper-Soft-Print-Gag-Roll-Gift-Toilet-Tissue-Perfect-Gift-US/372991987070?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item56d80e0d7e:g:UC4AAOSwHt9ecZQ1&enc=AQAEAAACUBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qVmRFTiBfGCW329T4LErB0egd1zpbmFNNVFRi02UCNjLipq55e5r0ZCrOg0eAs7PQZnMm2AGM0JaNCBEfUhHbWB%2FDsMqmwn72dlBLoLXL1k6ON3GQXvsLWILtSqwarrL2jUBJx03rgYYZzeiGKfTLDR%2BtlnYFtXDwi2Gp1AS747aJWxSqvfu1k3qd8pbg%2Ba77SqrpJRz%2F1pbgZj1xr8%2Bplc00bAQKcgzol01OwP9bttN8PuW7RCKObxhFsVkLBCfqB9%2FNkSnwmjD%2F%2B%2FvaFN5jLl7pX6mxwIOlmgB%2BpjZsnKvCir0lmKFuhTMTUkVE34%2Bw8c3ac3cL4nA%2FroGNPHpjCHQVKuVj%2Bk%2By4%2F82Q3s%2FerEAdJqeLe%2B%2Bj0kbRbeAGYl8clkYW28JdeYMeD3atSgT07tDF3wb889GHrmiLpP4eREYckQs1OdsGTZxPogJUt6ZrZ7X1Z1XJWjLQXEXzvNTufKFaktx6g7JozNlepWh1lEeYrqGFEoCZmYi9iE%2FCJcZAU%2F43GyMUP5SOBllJWMIKA0kMO0lt33%2BE%2F17LFNquCdgHPWEM2qI9WJrFjHlf7M713%2F%2BhQr7PoCdU0oBBx8zzyNaljTy3EkQ87JIgg6miNjjE6Y6qwMJ85WcD3w5DKgR%2BUOaVqZG2tNoxOyUXL2FDlPVXFzqBSUtBDhTTliiDTanKwXA9LFkHYhUqUri%2B7eV%2B77h55k44%2FiLE2%2Bfxq56IMNmJzaYpnu%2FKehRgDwODLSdROJtuxvM%2BDMEJzGfuFg2w%3D&checksum=372991987070eff25b0a3686429b99164d1e6371725b

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

lol!

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 5 years ago

They'd all go straight to the bank, deposit it, pay their bills with it, then come on here to complain how socialism is so un-American.

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[–] TimMC (9143) 5 years ago

Screeeeching isn't an argument.

Calm down.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

How do you know when someone is screeching on a message board? Do you hear voices in your head while reading the message board ? What are the voices telling you? Are they telling you to hurt yourself or others - like liberals ? Did this start three years ago when Kellyanne Conway told republicans your microwave is spying on you ? Did it start before that?

It appears you have a serious mental health issue going on. You need to talk to a specialist. There's help for that.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

It becomes “fine and dandy” when the government is the entity that doesn’t allow you to go to work and make a living.

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/screen-shot-2016-01-31-at-8-35-48-pm.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780

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[–] snepts (11123) 5 years ago

No one is stopping you from working. The grocery stores are open and busy, fast food places are open, garbage men are still picking up the garbage. Get a job, bum.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

I’m good. I am still working, and not planning on accepting anything from anyone. Hours were cut down, but I have enough PTO to cover the lost hours for months down the road.

I work in healthcare, bum, while you and your buddy Doggiedaddy sit in your parents basement and write a million posts on this website every hour of every day that regurgitates the same garbage: “Democrats good, Republicans bad...look how right I am about everything all the time...blah, blah, blah.”

You and Doggiedaddy are annoying as fuck. Unbelievably annoying. People like you make moderates like me want to vote against anything you stand for. You’re actually helping Trump a hell of a lot more than you realize.

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[–] snepts (11123) 5 years ago

My parents have been dead for 30 years. Thanks for the reminder. And we don't need "moderates" like you, you don't deserve the appellation. Just another crank pub bully who thinks he's part of the uber race along with Herr trumpf.
I used to think I was moderate until I ran into the creeps I run into here. After so many lies I can't stand listening to it anymore. I don't come here because it's entertaining, it's outrageous and wrong for pubs to be backing this idiot who stumbled into being in charge of the not so free world. Free to fleece the rest of us while the top run off with the dough, cutting benefits like whipping a dog will make it behave better. Acceptable losses.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

They’re all ridiculous crooks...you just choose the crooks you think are better.

Yes, you do come here because it’s entertaining. Don’t give me that shit. There are absolutely no real world problems being solved here in the politics section of a movie message board. Just a bunch of people whining and bitching about everything politics related. No one has EVER changed their political party because of a political discussion or argument. Nothing ever gets solved. It’s just seeing who can yell the loudest. And both people walk away convincing themselves that they won the argument.

Go back to 2016, it could be Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John Kasich...any of them “pubs” as president right now, and you would be saying the same exact things about any of them right this second, because they are a different political party than the one you follow blindly. Both parties are followed blindly, you just pick the scumbags you want to associate with more.

And it will go back and forth, forever and ever. You will change to defending the president if a Democrat wins in 2020, and the shoe will be on the other foot, and if Trump wins, you’ll continue to be in attack mode, posting message after message in moviechat’s political message board for the rest of its existence about how he’s the worst thing in the history of the universe. You’re a spoke in a wheel. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

That’s all from me. I’m done. You guys aren’t worth it. See ya. Post a solid reply so you can walk away feeling like you won the discussion. Keep that ego pumped.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I work in healthcare,

Then best you get back to work, because those hospital floors aren't going to mop themselves.

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 5 years ago

Oh snap!

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Oh snap? Is that a reply for an "honest discussion", ultraviolent? You're such a phony ultraviolent. Find any typos, grammar nazi?

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

Yeah, whatever you say. Your lack of humanity fits right in with everyone else these days. You know, for a supposed “tolerant liberal”, it’s kind of rotten to be ridiculing someone who cleans hospitals for a living, just trying to get by. But yeah, hospital janitors are beneath you. They all are, right? You’re just as hypocritical as any other politician out there, and you definitely aren’t worth a shit.

You also aren’t worth another second. I wish you and your pathetic extremist friends on here nothing but the worst.

Later.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

And just like that, Bubba's sock puppet is gone folks.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

And just like that, you proved once again why you’re not worth a second of any logical human’s time. Great rebuttal. Really hit all the talking points with that one. Thankfully I don’t think anyone takes your 24 hour marathon babbling on this site seriously anyway.

By the way, you’ve got to be furious...the stock market is fighting back...doesn’t that piss you off that Americans are getting some of their retirement funds back? Im assuming you’re rooting for a depression to cripple the country, because your psychotic 24/7 obsession with your buddy “T-rump” being president and all, and you liberal extremists would rather watch the country burn and have people be miserable then have anything good happen while he is president. You’re the 100% definition of hypocrite. Maybe luck will turn in your favor and the market could take another dive today or tomorrow to make you happy to bash your buddy “T-rump”. I don’t really get that nickname you have for him. Makes about as much sense as any of your talking points on this site.

Ok, that’s it...I’m really done this time. Lol.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

And just like that Bubba's sock puppet returned for one last appearance. Bubba must be furious I called him out on that and just to show me - he activated his sock one more time!

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

WalMart announced they are 'hiring on the spot' for anyone who is interested in working, while Target, Family Dollar, Dollar General, Aldi, etc. announced similar plans. There are jobs out there if you want one - but it seems you'd rather stay home and collect a government hand out.

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[–] whynotwriteme (7725) 5 years ago

Not me. I am using mine to buy an AR-15.

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[–] kspkap (13570) 5 years ago

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Apparently you missed what I wrote on another board so I will paste it here. BTW, your Savior in Chief Pelosi wants to UP it to $1200 smackaroos!

I think that's great for everyone (except Republicans and T-rumpers who don't believe in this kind of government help). America is out of work right now - and every little bit helps, including $1200 (which barely covers a month's rent or mortgage payment in most of America).

When You get your check - whether it's $1,000 or $1,200 or another amount - make sure you write 'Return to Sender' on the envelope, and send it back to those socialists running the country! How dare they infringe upon your independence that way ?????

The reality, though, will be you're one of the first to cash yours - along with Bubba, Shitstorm, krl97a, JoWilli, IfImBoringImHere, etc.

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[–] kspkap (13570) 5 years ago

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

But, the big question for you is...would you write Return to Sender on your check?

No, Why would I? I'm a Democrat. I believe in helping others who need help at all times, whenever possible, especially during a crisis like this. We can all use a bail-out at this time, if we qualify (and I do qualify, from what's been reported).

Unlike T-rumpers and Republicans, I am opposed to government giving big bail-outs to major corporations in the form of tax breaks as he did in December, 2018 under the false promise that they would 'pass it along' to employees in the form of pay raises and job creation. Instead, those corporations which got millions of dollars in tax breaks gave their CEOs big bonuses and stock buy-backs. That's what I'm opposed to - not a $1,000 check to people who need it in a time of crisis.

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[–] kspkap (13570) 5 years ago

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Giving checks to people isn’t going to keep them employed.

And you know yourself it isn’t only Trump. As an aside, if the corporations didn’t follow through in passing it along, the tax breaks should have been rescinded!

The intention of giving checks to people isn't for them to keep them employed. The intention is for them to pay critical bills - such as rent, mortgage, groceries, etc. Big banks are not going to forgive mortgage payments if these people are unemployed, landlords aren't going to forgive rent, and grocery stores aren't going to give away free groceries.

And yes, this was T-rump's big tax break which Dems opposed in December 2018. Republicans rammed it through, to take care of themselves and their big money donors. They all knew what the CEOs were going to do, and the poor T-rumpers were going to be left behind. No big pay raises, no new jobs. Why would they want to rescind this when it was designed for this to work this way ?

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[–] kspkap (13570) 5 years ago

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In today's times $1,000 is a huge help if it's going to put food on the table, make a mortgage payment or a rent payment. It was never meant to be a permanent solution, it was meant to be a helping hand in a tough time.

If you'd rather help a small business, hand your $1,000 check over to your favorite small business. Wherever you think your money will be well-spent is fine with me, but I would be shocked if the T-rumpers decided to keep it for themselves, which would make them hypocrites.

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[–] kspkap (13570) 5 years ago

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1. I didn't throw 'barbs' in my reply - I was being honest. I can't help it if you interpret honesty as 'barbs'.

2. I'm not interested in Obama's tax plan, and have no idea why you keep referring to it. He's no longer President - T-rump is. Stop with the 'waht about Obama' and stick to the present: T-rump.

I'm talking about what T-rump did for his big donors in December 2018 that did not help little businesses at all, and has ended up hurting our economy. That is what is effecting everyone today during this time of crisis - both health and economic. Economists warned back in 2018 what T-rump and the republicans were proposing for their 'big tax plan' was going to destroy the economy by the time his first term was over. We all saw this coming - the warning bells have been sounding from these economists that we were heading for another recession.

Republicans haven't cared, and T-rumpers haven't cared : as recently as February 5 when he gave his SOTU address and bragged about the stock market and his economy, they gave him standing ovations. They loved when he asked "How's your 409K doing?" back in January - ignoring the signs back then that a recession was about to hit. And now here we are, looking at government help in the form of socialism.

So the question is - will republicans refuse their $1,000 check because it smack of socialism? I know they won't.

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[–] kspkap (13570) 5 years ago

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[–] Thespear (134) 5 years ago

This virus has EXPOSED the hypocrisy of the America. When it comes down to it it turns out, every body is fine with SOCIALISM!!!! In true naked Capitalism govt shouldn't intervene and the strong should overcome the weak...right Darwinism...right? The weak die off and everyone is better off because only the STRONG are left ..right? The great bastions of US industry and Capitalism are the first at the govt trough begging for FREE MONEY. Licking their chops to fire their workers; buy new robots; and pocket the change. If the American people are too STUPID or RACIST or HATEFUL or SELFISH that they can not see that caring for the very weakest of us is the FOUNDATION of good govt; that having EVERYONE have access to healthcare; that maintaining good relations with other countries goes BEYOND merely pointing guns and threatening them; EVEN IN THE AGE OF A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC, then there is NO HOPE!!!!!!!!

Watch the BBC folks: China and Cuba and many other countries are sending teams of doctors to Italy to help them in their time of trouble. Germany is taking care of French Corona virus patients because they CAN. Our President is busy calling racist names and sending love letters to Kim!!!

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[–] kspkap (13570) 5 years ago

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One of these days you people who favor Socialism will realize it’s taking from someone to give to someone else. What you favor is akin to you asking your neighbor to pay for your doctor’s visit or giving him/her your script and demand it be paid for by him/her!

So what will you do with your personal bail-out check of about $1,000 that T-rump will be sending to you? Will you be patronizing small businesses which got a bail-out, or will you be avoiding them due to the 'bail out' ?

And why stop there - have you been patronizing big corporations which benefited from the big corporate tax cuts in December 2018 (another form of government welfare / socialism) or did you end your cable service, internet service, cell phone service, etc. ?

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[–] kspkap (13570) 5 years ago

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Helping small businesses stay afloat is not a bail-out if it helps people keep their jobs.

Glad you see it this way - this is what Democrats have been fighting for since I can remember. Only they don't want to just be helping people in times of a pandemic, but to help ALL people when an individual needs it the most: whether it be with SNAP, medicare, section 8 housing, social security, etc. Republicans have always disagreed and been against such programs - as we can see how the current administration has tried their best to de-fund each of those programs in the past three years.

Sorry to disagree, but yes it IS indeed a form of government welfare when these big corporations are given huge tax cuts from the republicans. These corporations are profitable enough to hire more employees and increase their workforce - but they don't because the CEOs are greedy.Never ever have these 'tax cuts' funded employee growth or better wages - it has funded bonuses for CEOs and stock buy-backs over the past two years.

These tax cuts should be going to small business owners and those individuals not even making a living wage at their jobs. That's who need it - not AT&T, Boeing, Comcast, Verizon, BankofAmerica, Chase, etc.

Yes, I have been patronizing those companies - but I'm not a republican who doesn't believe in any kind of government hand-out.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

1. You asked me about what republicans should do with their checks, and I answered you more than once very honestly, and you're interpreting my honesty as 'barbs' - I'm not responsible for how you interpret responses. Can't help you there.

2. I'm not interested in 'others failed plans' of the past. I'm interested in the present, and how T-rump has conducted this current crisis. But if you want to refer to others' failed plans from the past, it makes him look even more inept (if that's possible) as President if he and his administration did not learn from past failed plans.

As far as the rest of your post, I didn't vote for T-rump, I didn't believe a word he said about bringing different industries back which thrived decades ago as we were heading into the 2020s, etc. Any questions you have with his failures over the past three years, you need to address with him and others who voted for him. Again, can't help you with that.

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[–] Thespear (134) 5 years ago

To kspkap:

"Full of rage against the U.S., are we? "

Righteous indignation against a 'small group' of people owning and oppressing the rest is not hating the U.S. It is SANITY! Defending the choke hold corporate interests currently have on the US population and our govt is INSANITY.

The problem is NOT with the small business man; nor it is with anyone trying to make money. But when behemoths like Amazon and Walmart control so much of the factors of production and people's lives, you have to admit out system resembles less of a true capitalist system and more of medieval feudalism. No single person or group should have this much power. Why not? Go read Plato's Republic because in it, his Philosopher King belonged to the ruling class or 1% for analogy. However this 1% was NOT allowed to have family and own things BECAUSE way back in his times Plato recognized that GOOD GOVERNANCE could not exist if the ruler(s) had private personal interests.

THAT's the biggest problem with Capitalism today. The rulers have their personal interests and when it runs contrary to the national interests they become CORRUPT!!

As far as I am concerned, this COVID-19 has laid bare the fraud that Capitalism is. The socialist, liberty less countries have faired MUCH better during this crisis. The democratic capitalists countries, where creativity is supposed to flourish, where the competitive spirit is supposed to benefit some and they those benefits would trickle down, THEY are the countries currently drowning in disease. Our country has the additional problem of a lying imbecile in charge.

China with what 1.6 or 1.7 billion people were able to arrest the spread of this disease so that 4 months later, Wuhan a city comparable to NY, is now slowly getting back to business. How many of YOU see NY back in business by July? Our death toll has exceeded theirs. We are hoping for masks, sanitizers, ventilators, regular medicines and many other things from, guess where.....China.

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[–] Sandman27 (3043) 5 years ago

Seriously??? The socialist liberty less countries have faired MUCH better during this crisis? And China is your example?

This is a April Fools joke post, yes?

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