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Why is white privilege called out more than any other privilege?


Everyone has some form of privilege. Black people can still be able-bodied. Gay people can still benefit from being white. Muslims can still be born into wealth. You could still be white, have good health, lots of money but grew up without parents in your life. You can even be homeless and have the advantage of perfect health. You can be a black American and still have the advantage of not being black in Ethiopia. Obviously all of these examples can be mixed and matched. The amount of variables are almost endless.

Why do we point fingers at everyone else when every single one of us has some advantage from birth in their life? Can't we all just accept it and not judge people for something they had no control of? It seems hypocritical. We're all in this together at the end of the day but for some reason white privilege is the only focus.

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Ok, but the disadvantage of sucking at basketball is pretty different from the disadvantage of being systematically oppressed.

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Are these people (I'm assuming you are talking about non white people) who are systematically oppressed disabled? The overwhelming majority of them aren't. White people also don't benefit from white privilege in the majority of African or Asian countries. It's like you get minus two points for being black, but disabled people get minus three points. But if you're black and disabled, that's minus five points and that's more oppression points than a gay Muslim. I don't like these oppression point games. We are all one people.

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I don't get into the whole "white privilege" thing but the fact is that until recently in history the ruling class in this country was white and minorities had little voice. Things don't change overnight and some things are still not on a level playing field.

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Everyone is a minority in a way. Depending on what country you're from, you can be a racial minority, gay, homeless, disabled, transgender, Muslim and so on. Black people can be oppressed but still treat disabled people like crap. Disabled people can treat gay people like crap. There's a lot of discussion about gay people treating transgenders like crap. I feel it's all relative.

Side note: I love your name.

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All true.

Thanks about the name. One of my favorite characters on "Boogie Nights". His and Melora Walter's character both made out good in a movie that was full of tragedy. It cracked me up how he was always trying to find his "look".

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I love Boogie Nights. I'm a huge PTA fan.

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He's been my favorite director for some time now. I also like Radiohead and Jonny Greenwood has done the music for some of his films.

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It looks like you're disagreeing with me, but I don't see a point to anything you brought up. If you were living in Nazi Germany, would you tell the Jews, "Woah!! Look, pal, we're all minorities in our own way. I don't like these oppression olympics." Or would you say damn, someone needs to fix this bullshit.

Yes, disabled people have different needs, and different capability levels. Same with communities. It's like setting loose a pack of chihuahuas in the wild and expecting them to compete with wolves. But you domesticated the African, bred their natural instincts out of them, gave them no enrichment or education, conditioned them poorly, and threw them to the wolves. That is America failing in its responsibility to fix what it fucked up.

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If you were living in Nazi Germany, would you tell the Jews, "Woah!! Look, pal, we're all minorities in our own way.


No, I would say it to the Nazis because they clearly have a difficult time understanding that.


It's like setting loose a pack of chihuahuas in the wild and expecting them to compete with wolves.


A Chihuahua could have some advantage. It's smaller and can be easier to hide. However, if a group of Chihuahuas somehow decided to gang up on a wolf, the wolf's size could be a disadvantage to hide.


But you domesticated the African, bred their natural instincts out of them, gave them no enrichment or education, conditioned them poorly, and threw them to the wolves


That's quite a generalization. I'm a first generation Canadian whose family has no history of slave owning so I don't see how that would be fair to lump me in with people like that. It's the same as saying "you people" when referring to immigrants.

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Larry Bird.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0q2ZR4nBuE

Because whites hate white. They've been neutered to hate themselves.

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I hate Bill Maher, but he's 100% right here.

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I see white privilege more as white fairness. If you're white, you are more inclined to get treated relatively fairly, sometimes positively, sometimes negatively, but overall evening out. I believe this is why white people tend to not recognize its existence.

If you are a minority, the negatives aren't guaranteed to outweigh the positives in the average person's daily life. But if you get caught up in the judicial system as a person of color, fairness pretty much goes out the window even for something as minuscule as marijuana possession.

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Depends where. There are white minority places in America.

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Depends where for what? There is no place in America where the legal system treats a white person less fairly than a non-white person.

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82% of Detroit's population is black. Jackson and Birmingham are both over 70% black. There is no disproportionate number of arrests or convictions there.

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There is a disproportionate length in sentence though compared to white people.

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True, but there can be a lot of factors: different judges, different prosecutors, different state laws, criminal history, if they pleaded guilty, if they show remorse, behaviour toward the judge...

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That is an example of white privilege/fairness. If a white person wants a fair sentence, he/she gets it. If a black person wants a fair sentence, maybe he/she gets it. But more times than not, they get a harsher sentence. You can blame it on judges and prosecutors, and I agree.... because they look at race.

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Even if the judge isn't white?

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I would agree that if the judge is non-white then the odds of the non-white criminal getting an equal sentencing is higher.

But the odds of a non-white criminal getting a lesser sentence than a white person is still non-existent (assuming the crimes are even). Even if the judge is non-white, it doesn't happen.

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Do you think if the defendant was white and the judge was black, he would 100% get a lighter sentence?

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Yeah, and everything they wrote also applies to minority places. It's like you're incapable of making or comprehending a single point. I'm voting on willful stupidity at this point, and there's no arguing with that.

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Wow resorting to insults, and to make it even better, ending it off with a sentence to attempt to deflect any rebuttal by stating there's no argument. I'm open for discussion, clearly you're not. Everyone is wrong except you, Carter. Good job.

But it seems I'm not the only person you like to insult:

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5e115c40ce180d2d50d20b00/When-the-shoe-is-on-the-other-foot-its-all-okay?reply=5e1174b0ce180d2d50d20bcc

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Yeah, one of the first things I try to do in an argument is make sure I'm not arguing with a dishonest idiot. When you suggested chihuahuas should just compete with wolves, I was pretty much done. There's no use or excuse for that kind of idiocy.

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Except I didn't say that. I said one advantage a Chihuahua has is size and he is able to hide. I even stated for a Chihuahua to stand a chance against a wolf, is if there were numerous Chihuahuas and they would outnumber the wolf.

You continue with the insults, but I thought you hated ad hominems. I guess you only hate them when they're against you.

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5e084b19a290d4387ccf830e/Michael-Moore-declares-white-people-have-not-changed-You-should-be-afraid-of-them?reply=5e0921d0dcc4ab665418cf0d

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So under that analogy, black people should gang up on random lone whites in the dark.

Yeah, if you went through my post history and only pulled out the sarcastic ones, that's pretty much troll confirmed.

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Yeah, one of the first things I try to do in an argument is make sure I'm not arguing with a dishonest idiot.


Which is exactly why I checked your post history. I need to know who I'm dealing with. By the way, calling someone a "brainless lib" isn't sarcastic. Another user even called you out on the exact same post.

To answer your question, no. Sending a group of people to attack someone who did nothing is wrong. Now, if the white person deserved it for whatever reason, that may be a different story.

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It is like the end of the past Roman empire.

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by Peggy McIntosh
“I was taught to see racism only in individual acts of meanness,
not in invisible systems conferring dominance on my group”

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization,” I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person’s voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

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16. I can be pretty sure that my children’s teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others’ attitudes toward their race. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these
choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world’s majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the “person in charge”, I will be facing a person of my race.
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children’s magazines featuring people of my race.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

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30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn’t a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

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45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in “flesh” color and have them more or less match my skin.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
50. I will feel welcomed and “normal” in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

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I've read this before. I don't feel that most of her arguments are sound. They're mostly from the perspective of an American. "White privilege" is the notion that every white person has an advantage in their life simply for being white. For example number 1:


1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time


Can a white person do this is Nigeria, India, South Korea, Egypt, China, Kenya, Ghana, Algeria, Japan, Uganda and so on? This argument can be applied to most of her points. Also this sounds a little white nationalist. Imagine if a white person said, I don't hate immigrants, I just want to be surrounded by my own people. Even number 9 is ridiculous:


If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.


So now white privilege is the ability to call out white privilege?

Another problem is how she doesn't take wealth into consideration:


. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.


I'm from Toronto and it's expensive. But I would not be able to afford living in Vancouver where the average price to own a house is just over $1 million. I think it's ignorant on her part to assume non-white people are poor. As a matter of fact a large chunk of Vancouver's population is Asian.

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Off topic. Why do Canadians dislike Vancouver?

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Being from Toronto, they hate us so naturally I've got to hate them because they attack our city. I think it's the same why why New York hates LA and vice-versa. Big cities just hate big cities.

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"an a white person do this is Nigeria, India, South Korea, Egypt, China, Kenya, Ghana, Algeria, Japan, Uganda and so on?"

Most of those countries you named were colonized by whites which is why English is the official language in many of them and people have European names instead of indigenous ones. Others were invaded militarily, culturally or exploited economically by whites. Or they had white missionaries trying to change and influence them.

"So now white privilege is the ability to call out white privilege?"
The author is clearly saying it would be easier for her to be published since there's a greater interest in the opinions and stories about whites rather than nonwhites.

"". If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live."
But I would not be able to afford living in Vancouver where the average price to own a house is just over $1 million."

Again, you don't understand the sentence probably because you're living in your ethnocentric bubble aka: a white privilege symptom. If you had the money, you can live wherever. But nonwhites who have money face discrimination. Yes, in Canada:

“the Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation actually produced a report on housing discrimination in Toronto, indicating that race and ethnicity were widespread factors of discrimination (along with mental illness and marital status). Drawing on hundreds of interactions between landlords and potential renters, CERA found a single black parent was 26 percent more likely to encounter significant discrimination.”
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/8xd8qb/how-renting-can-be-even-more-difficult-as-a-person-of-colour

"I think it's the same why New York hates LA and vice-versa. Big cities just hate big cities."

Not true. Lifestyles & cultures in NY and LA are very different. It depends on preferences. Do you like four seasons or two? Driving or walking? Laid-back or not? An LAer who doesn't like cold weather, won't be happy in NYC. A NYer who loves walking won't be happy in LA.

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Most of those countries you named were colonized by whites which is why English is the official language in many of them and people have European names instead of indigenous ones.


Mexico, Indonesia, Venezuela, Colombia... There are so much more.



The author is clearly saying it would be easier for her to be published since there's a greater interest in the opinions and stories about whites rather than nonwhites.


But in this case, it's a negative story about whites. If there is such an interest, then that means she is acknowledging white people (the publishers) are willing to allow these negative views out in public.


Again, you don't understand the sentence probably because you're living in your ethnocentric bubble aka: a white privilege symptom.


Toronto including it's 4 surrounding cities are 52% non white. Most of these communities are run by non white mayors and councillors.


CERA found a single black parent was 26 percent more likely to encounter significant discrimination.


The article doesn't say whether the landlords were white. One person in the article even said they didn't know what the landlord looked like. Either way, The Ontario Human Rights Commision prohibits discrimination, so what the landlord does is doing is illegal. But being a single parent has nothing to do with white privilege. It's a two parent privilege. That's something that affects any race. There are even studies of "pretty privilege" and that could be a factor of why someone didn't choose a specific person. But of course this doesn't mean that racial discrimination doesn't happen.


Not true. Lifestyles & cultures in NY and LA are very different. It depends on preferences. Do you like four seasons or two?


The weather is warmer in Vancouver and it hardly ever snows. I've heard a few people complain about those cities because you're supposed to.

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"Mexico, Indonesia, Venezuela, Colombia... There are so much more. "
Those countries were colonized by whites too. And they killed the indigenous people in three of them.

But in this case, it's a negative story about whites."
Are you suggesting she shouldn't express her viewpoint because it upsets you?

"Toronto including it's 4 surrounding cities are 52% non white. Most of these communities are run by non white mayors and councillors."
Ethnocentric bubble is a way of thinking. Don't forget that your ancestors moved to a country whose indigenous people were not white. White privilege is being upset that Toronto and its 4 surrounding cities are 52% nonwhite. Or that nonwhites would elect nonwhites.

"The article doesn't say whether the landlords were white."
The landlords were white. That's another part of white privilege. If someone is white, the race isn't mentioned because it's considered normal.

On "All in The Family", racist Archie Bunker was once surprised to find out that someone was black and he said, "You didn't tell me you were black." The other guy said, "You didn't tell me you were white". Archie replied, "I didn't have to because I'm regular."

The article says it's much worst if you're single AND black.

I was in Vancouver many years ago for a very brief time. I didn't like it, but that was because it seemed very working-class. It's probably gentrified by now. I actually like snow and hate warm weather. I loved Montreal and Quebec City though. Those cities are probably ruined with overdevelopment.

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You've made quite a few assumption in your last post.


Are you suggesting she shouldn't express her viewpoint because it upsets you?


It doesn't upset me at all. All I said was that it's not white privilege if she's publically calling out whites. She can do it if she wants, I don't care.


Don't forget that your ancestors moved to a country whose indigenous people were not white. White privilege is being upset that Toronto and its 4 surrounding cities are 52% nonwhite.


I'm a first generation Canadian. My "ancestors" have no history of coming to Canada. Literally you can say that with any immigrant that comes to Canada. Also, nowhere did I say that I was upset that 52% of Toronto was non white. I brought it up because you said I was living in an ethnocentric system, which isn't the case.


The landlords were white. That's another part of white privilege. If someone is white, the race isn't mentioned because it's considered normal.


If I told you a story about the time I went to Nigeria and bought something at a store, do you think I would bring up the person who sold it to me being black? Obviously not because he's Nigerian where black is the majority race. What you're talking about is majority privilege, not white privilege. Name me one type of minority of any kind (race, religion, disability, sexual orientation) that doesn't say they're being treated unfairly.


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"All I said was that it's not white privilege if she's publicly calling out whites."

She has a better opportunity of having her work published because the subject is about whites which makes it white privilege. Do you think she would have the same opportunity if her subject was about Cambodians? All you have to do is turn on a TV, look at films or novels to know most of them center around a white subject.

"I brought it up because you said I was living in an ethnocentric system"
No, I said you were living in an ethnocentric bubble. If I thought you were living in a homogeneous environment I would've said so.

"If I told you a story about the time I went to Nigeria..."
You're not in Nigeria. You're in Canada where the majority of the landlords are white.

"Name me one type of minority of any kind (race, religion, disability, sexual orientation) that doesn't say they're being treated unfairly."

Not being treated unfairly. That's easy:
race: WASPs. religion: Christian. disability: Near-sighted. sexual orientation: Straight. I'll also add multi-millionaires.

Are you equating for example the Holocaust where million of Jews were systematically killed with a Christian upset because someone said "Happy Holidays"? Can you understand the difference? You appear to be upset if someone criticizes white Christians for the Holocaust. But they are to blame since they caused it.

"I'm a first generation Canadian'
First generation means you're an immigrant. Is that what you're trying to say?

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You just called me a name which is your bullying me. Don't worry, I'm not thin-skinned.

If you don't agree with my comment than express your thoughts in an intelligent way as to why not. The point of these boards is to exchange opinions and ideas.

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You're off topic. Stop being a bully!

And chill to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9JMo9xLfzM&list=RDp9JMo9xLfzM&start_radio=1

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Do you think she would have the same opportunity if her subject was about Cambodians?


Maybe not Cambodia but Japan, China, Mexico, yes. And it also depends on who the publishers are.


You're not in Nigeria. You're in Canada where the majority of the landlords are white.


Which is exactly why I said white privilege is a general term and should be looked at in specific cases because generalizing is wrong.


That's easy:
race: WASPs. religion: Christian. disability: Near-sighted. sexual orientation: Straight. I'll also add multi-millionaires.


I don't mean going into sub-minorities like near-sighted people because that just falls under disability. And straight is not a minority. I'll give you multi-millionaires, however a lot of times that is earned and they've put themselves in that position.


Are you equating for example the Holocaust where million of Jews were systematically killed with a Christian upset because someone said "Happy Holidays"?


No, not all. That's not an accurate example of what I'm trying to say.
because "happy holidays" is harmless. What I'm saying is if a white person gets beaten up by black people because he is white, it's a racist act. There are a lot of people who feel that it's not racist because white people were the oppressors.

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As you pointed out, the writer is American and was speaking from an American viewpoint about America (even though it could be opened up to include other countries.)

My definition of white privilege is to acknowledge that racism in the U.S. exists. Agree or disagree? Also, white privilege is to acknowledge that white is considered the norm and/or dominant culture within the U.S. Agree or disagree?

Not in Cambodia! A Cambodian-American writing about a Cambodian subject would have less opportunities to get it published in the U.S.. I can't name any books from a Cambodian perspective so let's discuss movies and TV series. I can name one American movie about Cambodia, The Killing Fields. I can name thousands of movies and TV shows about white people.

" I said white privilege is a general term and should be looked at in specific cases because generalizing is wrong."

No, because institutional racism exists which is systemic and general. Also, white culture is dominant in the U.S. Why do Americans speak English instead of Cherokee, Hawaiian or Yoruba? Or wear western clothes? All presidents have been white except for one.

You asked which groups don't complain about being treated unfairly which I named. A majority can be treated unfairly like women or blacks in the south. A minority isn't always maltreated and can even be privileged like the rich.

""happy holidays" is harmless. "

I'm glad you said that. There are American Christians who believe they are being persecuted whenever someone says it. I say it to be polite because I don't want to assume someone's religion and I like to include New year's with my well wishes.

"What I'm saying is if a white person gets beaten up by black people because he is white, it's a racist act."
It's a bigoted act which is different from racist. Racism is sometimes defined as more institutional.

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American history lesson which I just learned:
After slavery, black men were registered to vote and elected many black representatives including senators and congressmen. Black voter registration was 90% and voter turnout 65%+. In many southern states, blacks were the majority or near majority which scared southern whites. Laws were created to stop blacks from voting which were effective. Southern black voter turnout fell from 61% in 1889 to just 2% in 1912.

Recent laws that protected black voters were overturned and voter suppression has accelerated leading to hundreds of thousands being kicked off the voter registration roles.

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My definition of white privilege is to acknowledge that racism in the U.S. exists. Agree or disagree? Also, white privilege is to acknowledge that white is considered the norm and/or dominant culture within the U.S. Agree or disagree?


Partly agree with both. I have seen people get attacked online who are white minorities in non-white majority countries and are still accused of having white privilege. People use it as a broad term. Racism in America exists, but it's not specifically white privilege. Asians can can racist to Natives.

I can name one American movie about Cambodia, The Killing Fields. I can name thousands of movies and TV shows about white people.


Swimming to Cambodia (1987) (About The Killing Fields)
Holly (2006)
Wish You Were Here (I) (2012) (It sucks, don't watch it)

I say it to be polite because I don't want to assume someone's religion and I like to include New year's with my well wishes.


I had two different people wish me Happy Hannakuh a few weeks ago. I don't celebrate. I said "thank you, you too" and moved on.

No, because institutional racism exists which is systemic and general.


As I said, white privilege is a general term that people use for every single white person. Outside of white majority countries, there really is no system that benefits white people. It's an Americentric argument.

It's a bigoted act which is different from racist. Racism is sometimes defined as more institutional.


That's like saying I can't complain about my pneumonia because lung cancer is a deadlier lung disease that kills more.

I mean, I could even argue that every single person who is not Native American is upholding a racist system because we're not speaking their language and are still living on their land.

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"Asians can be racist to Natives."
Asians don't have political and economic power in the U.S. to commit institutional racism.

Historically and presently, Asians are the ones who are discriminated against. Only now have they begun to receive roles in movies and TV shows. Political power is almost nonexistent. Economically, they do better than most whites.

"Wish You Were Here" and Swimming to Cambodia stars only whites. You're proving my point.
Holly's first four leads are white. Jacquie Nguyen is probably Vietnamese.

The movies you named are telling stories about whites instead of about Cambodians since there are none in the movies or maybe as background props.

Killing Fields was written and stars a Cambodian and is about his experiences during the genocide. All the other actors are white though.

I have people say Merry Christmas to me which I stopped celebrating at 13. Ditto. I say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays back and move on.

"As I said, white privilege is a general term that people use for every single white person."
White people do benefit from it. You're taking it for granted.

"Outside of white majority countries, there really is no system that benefits white people. It's an Americentric argument."
That's not true. Europeans had it pretty good as colonists until they were booted out. The remnants still exist today though.

Whites in Canada too. Canadians wouldn't notice if a black person ran for president" Or would his race be brought up? Be honest.

"That's like saying I can't complain about my pneumonia because lung cancer is a deadlier lung disease that kills more."
You can complain. Just don't equate your cold with lung cancer.

"I could even argue that every single person who is not Native American is upholding a racist system because we're not speaking their language and are still living on their land."
I actually agree with all non-indigenous people as being a part of the oppression of Native people. I bet you're surprised by that one!

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Those people H A T E white people.

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It seems pretty overblown to me. It's hard for me to care when everyone, as you said, is privileded to some extent and there are much bigger issues in the world. It makes sense to fight for your rights, because you want to make your and your loved ones' lives better, but I won't have much sympathy because at the core basically everyone's selfish and I think it's naive to try to force others to care about your issues when they have their own. I know that this is a nihilistic worldview, but people will always fight eachother, and so I'd rather want to focus on the advancement of technology to a point where these things basically wont matter anymore

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I picture it like this: two types of people who are are deemed oppressed by society are black people and disabled people. Visualize a white man in a wheelchair and an able-bodied black man walking up to him telling him to check his privilege simply for being white. If the white person didn't do anything wrong, why are they being called out. It makes no sense to me and very hypocritical.

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Still better off than a black man in a wheelchair.

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I don't like to give out oppression points because if I'm not that specific person, how do I know where they fall on the oppression scale? I'm not going to assume every straight person is homophobic. I'm not going to assume every black person is a criminal. I'm not going to assume every Asian person is a bad driver. Why are you assuming every black person feels oppressed?

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Because those that fail need excuses for their failure. Their leaders exploit and enslave these losers by telling them success is not possible do some made up unmeasurable systematic oppression. This is how the left works.

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An example of 'white privilege' is the way this latest opioid addiction crisis is being labled. Nowadays, addiction is looked at as a DISEASE since it's killing more whites. On the other hand, when black and brown folks were getting hooked on hard cocaine they were labeled super predators and locked away or shot dead.

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Cocaine is illegal outright. Opioids aren't. I think that's the difference.

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"Despite roughly equal usage rates, Blacks are 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana."
https://www.aclu.org/gallery/marijuana-arrests-numbers

white privilege

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Marijuana is illegal too in most places. It still has a negative view in society.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there aren't cases of white privilege, but the problem is that it's a general term. You have to look at every situation individually. That's exactly why this topic is asking about white privilege being the main focus, but other privileges are hardly ever spoken about.

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"white privilege being the main focus, but other privileges are hardly ever spoken about."

Totally disagree. There are three privileges that you completely discounted that are much more significant. One is male privilege. Historically and presently women are second class citizens. I'm sure you heard of Malala Yousafzaia, a young girl who was almost killed because she only wanted to go to school.

The second privilege which you even mentioned has to do with wealth. Working-class people die in wars which are fought to keep rich people that way. A good example is what is happening now between the U.S. and Iran. Iran had democratically elected a leader which the CIA replaced with a dictator in order for rich people to make money from the oil. When Iranians kicked him out, the U.S. gave weapons to Iraq to start a war with Iran. Rich people pulling the strings.

Iraq war was for oil, too.

U.S. attacking Venezuela isn't about democracy. Rich people want the oil that was nationalized.

And in the U.S., politicians are bought off by rich people to help their interests over those of the working-class.

Historically, rich people pay political leaders to do their bidding.

Another privilege may have to do with religion. How many are persecuted because they belong to the "wrong" one. Right now, there is a Christian privilege. Muslim reaction may be to that, Western influences and oil wars fought on their land.

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None of which, however, are even spoken about as much as white privilege. White people can't even defend themselves simply because people think they're white and can't have an opinion. They're accused of all being white supremacists. They're accused of inventing slavery. White majority countries are accused of not being diverse enough. Movies with white casts are accused of not being diverse enough. White people are told they don't get to decide what racism is. Crimes against white people aren't looked at as hate crimes even if it was directly involved as race. These kind of arguments don't happen with gender or religion. When is the last time you heard "you're Catholic, you don't get an opinion" or "it's not a gender crime if a woman kills a man, it's just a regular crime"? When was the last time you've heard "this movie has too many Catholics"?

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"None of which, however, are even spoken about as much as white privilege."
Of course it is. You even mentioned not being able to afford to live some place because you weren't rich.

"These kind of arguments don't happen with gender or religion. "
Yeah, they do. Let me explain the difference. White males have the power. You're talking about a group that has power complaining about being powerless which doesn't make sense. BTW, I'm aware that not all white males individually have power. I'm talking in the general sense as a group. You can complain about being poor as an individual. It just sounds odd to complain about your group being oppressed if it's your group with the power.

With power comes responsibility. The reality is that white males (as a group) have historically oppressed other groups. That might upset you, but it's the truth. If oppressed people don't complain and fight back, then discrimination doesn't end.

A better religious example is with Jews. Jews are a persecuted group and in the U.S. now, the incidence of anti-Semitic attacks are skyrocketing. Yet, there are Christians complaining about being oppressed because people say "Happy Holidays!" instead of "Merry Christmas!". The empowered religious group in the U.S. are Christians. There is no Christian persecution in the U.S.! The entire American society is Christian based and centered! That doesn't prevent some Christians from complaining as if there were.

There are comments like too many Jews or Muslims. Trump has a anti-Muslim ban in place! I hear comments about something being "too Jewish" all the time.

BTW, Catholics have a lower status than Protestants in the U.S. although that has changed. I have heard anti-Catholic comments from Protestants and there has been discrimination against Catholics. The KKK used to march against them and Pres. Kennedy had to fight against anti-Catholic feelings when he was running.

Re: gender. Once again it's men with the power as a group.

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Of course it is. You even mentioned not being able to afford to live some place because you weren't rich.


I'm not the litmus test of what is common simply for bringing it up once.


White males have the power. You're talking about a group that has power complaining about being powerless which doesn't make sense.


White people were slaves of the Barbary slave trade. They also don't hold power within every country in the world. Let me use an example: let's just say there was definitive proof that 70% of black people worldwide were criminals and I told an innocent black person "you blacks are criminals, get out of my country!" Naturally her response would be to defend it and say "not in this country", it would be unfair (and racist) if I said "well, tell your kind to stop being criminals then then I wouldn't think that." It just seems like a horribly generalized viewpoint.


BTW, I'm aware that not all white males individually have power. I'm talking in the general sense as a group.


Donald Trump once said "Mexicans were rapists but some are very fine people" and he got criticized for it. Why is it wrong for him to say it (even though he tried to save himself by saying "some are good") but okay to generalize whites as being oppressors? Being in power doesn't suddenly make it more or less racist


With power comes responsibility. The reality is that white males (as a group) have historically oppressed other groups.


So have Osama bin laden, King Abdullah andMuammar al-Qaddafi, but it's racist to say that Arabs that Arabs are oppressors. Why? Again, I personally think that's a generalization but it seems hypocritical.


There are comments like too many Jews or Muslims. Trump has a anti-Muslim ban in place! I hear comments about something being "too Jewish" all the time.


Correct. I often hear it about Hollywood being too Jewish.

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We both went a little off topic because the writer wasn't really focusing on wrongdoing by whites anyway, but just saying whites had the dominant culture in the states and it's something most whites don't think about.

For instance, I was raised Christian and acknowledge that is the dominant religion. I also understand that Jews, Muslims, Hindus and other religions aren't accommodated in the same way during their religious holidays which they're very aware of and I may not be.

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Again, I don't deny cases of white privilege, but most people come off as if that's the only one they talk about. I grew up and still live in an area that is mostly Indian. I have, and other races, have experienced racism in this community. I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a store where the Indian owner is following me around thinking that I'm stealing, but they don't do it for the Indian customers. It's all relative.

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I'm not saying you don't experience racism or other bigotry as an individual.

I'm saying that Indians are not the dominant culture in Canada. They are not the presidents, prime ministers, main actors and top business owners or power brokers. The main religion in Canada isn't Hinduism or Islam. Nor is official language Hindi or Bengali.

You're likely to "blend in" much easier than an Indian would in most of Canada.

Anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree. I like to thank you for maintaining a civil discourse. It was very interesting.

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Another BS stat, as all this anti-white leftist garbage designed to promote racial division and resentment is. Aside from the dubious nature of the underlying numbers, it wouldn't be surprising if blacks are caught more frequently for mundane crimes (traffic violations are often cited in leftist propaganda too) because predominately black neighborhoods tend to have sky high crime rates, much higher than any other type, and police typically try to help mitigate that as best they can by flooding the zone. If blacks are disproportionately busted it's because there are more cops there. They're there to combat serious crime but if they see normal offenses it's not like they're always going to let it go. Whereas some kids smoking weed in the privacy of their homes in an upscale neighborhood are less likely to interact with police.

The police aren't targeting blacks to oppress them. They're trying to help and protect law abiding black citizens.



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Triggered much?

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Nope. Calmly explaining a situation isn't being "triggered", but it's adorable when leftists try to emulate the lingo accurately and effectively used to describe their routine behavior.

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