It's been a week, and T-rump is still impeached. He carries the disgrace of being the first President to be impeached in his first term. Republicans are very proud of him.
shareIt's been a week and somehow he is still in office. #ImpeachedButNotRemoved #AllAWasteOfTime
shareYou need to re-read the constitution. Or read it for the first time.
shareThere's nothing in the constitution that says the House vote only counts if the article(s) are sent over to the Senate.
You and all the other repubs are going along with that lie because you don't mind spreading it for your cult leader.
https://nccs.net/blogs/articles/the-impeachment-process
The Impeachment Process
“While impeachment proceedings can be complex, the basic process is quite simple. An impeachment begins when an official behaves in a manner which the people believe disqualifies him from further public service. A complaint requesting an impeachment investigation of that official is lodged with the House of Representatives. That request may either be general in its scope or it may delineate specific offenses; it may be requested in a petition filed by individual citizens or on the request of a single Representative, a group of Representatives, or the President.
“The request is referred to the House Judiciary Committee which forwards it to the Subcommittee on the Constitution. The Subcommittee then investigates the complaints and, if there is merit to the charges, Articles of Impeachment describing the specific offense(s) are prepared. Those Articles are forwarded to the full Judiciary Committee for a vote. If approved, the Articles are sent to the full House for a vote.
“A simple majority of the House either approves or disapproves the Articles. If disapproved, the issue is terminated. Approval, however, is, in effect, the equivalent of a grand jury indictment against that official. The approved Articles of Impeachment are then delivered to the Senate. With this action, the House’s role in an impeachment is finished.
About your source:
"The National Center for Constitutional Studies (NCCS) is a conservative, religious-themed organization, founded by Latter-day Saint political writer W. Cleon Skousen. It was formerly known as The Freemen Institute.
According to the NCCS, the founding of the United States was a divine miracle. As such, the NCCS worldview and program are based on two major pillars: (1) understanding the divine guidance that has allowed the United States to thrive and (2) rejecting what it views as the sometimes tyrannical or sinful deviations of the modern U.S. federal government from that divine mold."
I will wisely disregard what you reference.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/us/trump-feldman-impeach.html
Impeachment happens, according to Noah Feldman, a Harvard law professor, only when the House transmits the articles of impeachment to the Senate.
A Harvard law professor, who also served as a Democrat-called impeachment witness is the one telling all of us via his piece published in Bloomberg news.
Feldman's approach is more consistent with the structure of the Constitution and the intent of its Framers.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats
If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.
That’s because “impeachment” under the Constitution means the House sending its approved articles of to the Senate, with House managers standing up in the Senate and saying the president is impeached.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/18/trump-impeachment-trial-steny-hoyer-087319
Pelosi threatens to delay Senate impeachment trial
https://nypost.com/2019/12/26/law-expert-jonathan-turley-rips-argument-that-trump-was-not-impeached/
Law expert Jonathan Turley rips argument that Trump wasn’t impeached
https://www.eagleobserver.com/news/2020/jan/01/opinion-has-president-trump-been-impeac/
As a college professor teaching the Constitution for 40 years, I am disturbed when those in power demonstrate constitutional illiteracy. Such is the time in which we live.
If House leadership chooses to discontinue the impeachment process by not passing its listed charges to the Senate -- even after a positive vote on the charges was taken -- it has not finished its process. Trump is, in effect, not charge
Once again, please reference the constitution itself which says the President has 'not been impeached' until the House turns over the impeachment to the Senate. I don't want others' opinions - and that is what they are which you use to back up your argument - but the fact itself written in the constitution.
I'll wait...
Let's skip over the fact that you went from "constitution" to an nccs.net blog.
Let's just focus on what the blog says.
"With this action, the House’s role in an impeachment is finished."
Even this doesn't say what you believe it does. It says the House's role is finished by handing the articles over. It doesn't say the articles need to be handed over for impeachment to count. Both sides already agree the House's role is done once the articles are handed over.
I didn't even make it that far - good catch!
As soon as I saw 'nccs.net' I knew not to read any further.
For the record, we liberals on the forum keep asking T-rumpers for their proof that the Constitution says a president is 'not impeached' until the articles are turned over to the Senate. Of course, the proof (if there was any to support their argument) would be in the Constitution.
Instead, we get 'Wikipedia' as proof, and now 'nccs.net'. No Constitutional proof. Imagine? LOL!
Ok, let’s stick to the Constitution.
The House has the sole power of impeachment.
The Senate has the sole power to try impeachments.
If the President has been impeached, the Senate can begin a trial anytime. The Constitution does not allow the House to impeach and then prevent the Senate from conducting a trial by failing to transmit the articles or appoint House managers. Neither step is identified in the Constitution. The only claim Pelosi could make in attempting to halt a Senate trial is that the process of impeachment is incomplete without those steps, which means he hasn’t been impeached yet.
If it’s a Senate rule that requires the official transmittal of impeachment articles and the appointment of House managers prior to trial, the rule can be changed with a majority vote.
If the President has been impeached, the Senate can begin a trial anytime. The Constitution does not allow the House to impeach and then prevent the Senate from conducting a trial by failing to transmit the articles or appoint House managers. Neither step is identified in the Constitution.
As I said, the other possibility is that the House impeachment isn't done yet. No one can dictate their impeachment process, just as no one can dictate the Senate trial process. It's something that would need to be examined in detail by an attorney familiar with the House rules.
shareWell, the President has been impeached by the House (no one in the House is arguing that), so the Senate can now begin the impeachment trial at any time (according to your post above: "If the President has been impeached, the Senate can begin a trial anytime. ").
So I'm still curious as to why they haven't put it on their calendar for when they return January 7. They seem eager to have the articles sent to them (which you explain above - this is not holding them up), so why are they stalling?
You do know Trump is going to stay in office and be re-elected, right?
The impeachment articles dont list a crime the President has committed. How can you remove somebody that hasn't committed a crime?
I guess you didn't read the impeachment articles. Oh well...
shareTell me the crime then. You are the one who didn't read them. 1 crime--tell me, what is it?
shareIf Trump is leaving office soon, why is he still doing campaign stops? Why are the Democrats still running against him, if he is supposed to leave office soon?
4 more years snowflake.
That's conspiracy talk which lacks the connective tissue that links A to B. 'The Senate can't do its role therefore impeachment hasn't happened.' The Senate can't do its job because the House hasn't finished its role. The House's role in impeachment involves more than impeachment itself.
In fact, the House can impeach multiple times without sending anything over to the Senate. If your silly Trumpian talking point was correct, a second impeachment would be impossible, because you cannot have a second something without a first.
If you completely ditch the Trumpian talking point, it all becomes simpler and more logical. Impeachment happens when the House votes to impeach. Impeachment happens again if the House votes to impeach again. Because once that happens, it goes on the permanent record that the House voted to impeach. Withholding the articles from the Senate will never remove that permanent record.
"It says the House's role is finished by handing the articles over."
Like you said, when they hand the articles over. They haven't done that yet.
Its like when a person is convicted of a crime,(step 1) they don't go to jail until the sentencing has been completed.(step 2)
Its like when a person is convicted of a crime,(step 1) they don't go to jail until the sentencing has been completed.(step 2)Why thank you for bringing that up.
Its an analogy to impeachment, you are taking it out of context. So far no one has been able to show where in the Constitution that the President is actually impeached or not.
This is from a liberal democrat.
Impeachment happens, according to Noah Feldman, a Harvard law professor, "only when the House transmits the articles of impeachment to the Senate."
A Harvard law professor, who also served as a Democrat-called impeachment witness is the one telling all of us via his piece published in Bloomberg news.
Feldman's approach is more consistent with the structure of the Constitution and the intent of its Framers.
Most scholars disagree with Noah Feldman, including his own colleagues.
Feldman even said impeachment was 2019's wildest roller coaster. How can it be if it does not exist?
Nobody says the House engaged in nothing. They obviously did something. That something is called impeachment.
What Feldman is saying is that impeachment doesn't mean anything until the Senate has the trial. But we already know that.
Jonathan Turley and Noah Feldman, both said Donald Trump isn’t technically impeached until Speaker Nancy Pelosi sends the passed articles to the Senate.
Turley is a Professor at the George Washington University Law School and Feldman is a Professor of Law at Harvard Law School.
Your telling me that these 2 guys are wrong?
Just like a felon who is convicted by a jury isn't a convict until the judge lays down the sentence, right?
I'm telling you the majority of scholars who disagree with those two are correct. You can whip out all the professors you want. The majority are against them.
It's no different than the 3% of climate scientists that say there's no man-made global warming. You focus on the minority because it's all you have.
That was a bad analogy on my part.
Anyways, I provided 2 scholars that disagree with you and the other scholars, whose to say whose right?
Who are these other scholars?
You just keep saying I am wrong without providing proof, at least do some research and find at least one person.
I have. I suggest you do the same, and not follow the NCCS talking points.
shareNOT YET.
LOL. As if it matters.
I'm sure people like you thought the roman government would be remembered forever also.
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