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10/4/19 political summary in case you're having trouble keeping pace with warp speed.

posted 5 years ago by eYeDEF (5050)
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Jam packed day. Late last night, my 538 resignation metric dipped below 50%. As of 6 PM EST, I'm inching it back close to even. The day as I’ve seen it:

Fallout from the Volker Hearing, the text messages that Schiff released (great timing) have re-framed the debate and have essentially expanded Trump's guilt not just to the call summary or the whistleblower, but to actual actions taken by him and Giuliani. I think this throws off his messaging completely and has left many very deeply skeptical of him. Trump is well past the point of reasonable doubt. He's guilty as fuck. But more than that, the texts showed us the painful cost of his lies to the country and to the world.

Added Fallout from Attempted Shakedown of Xi - Pelosi made the connection I had hoped many more Dems would've made by now: Trump is screwing over Americans in this trade war to try to get some leverage over the Chinese to extract illegal in-kind campaign contributions. There's a big difference between Trump's racist immigration bashing and when he gets into trouble on Russia matters. The latter does not drive white working class enthusiasm or a desire to back him up.

Trump Presser - The South Lawn shout outs are the most programmed and planned thing Trump does. He has one message he wants to shout and he rarely gets tripped up from giving it, no matter how outrageous and counterproductive the statement may be to normal people. He got tripped up today. Just one simple question from Eamon Javers as to whether he has ever called for an investigation against someone who was not an opponent caught him napping and threw him off rhythm. Then Romney piled on a bit with a statement essentially confirming the Senate GOP's rejection of Trump's view that smearing Biden with foreign dirt is popular. This isn't a sudden burst of conscience and patriotism from the Senate GOP. They just know it's bad politics. Whatever water Biden takes on, Trump and the GOP take on more.

ICIG Atkinson testified for 7+ hours behind closed doors. If it was anything like the Volker hearing it will be another neutron bomb.

A nice surprise, the CIA General Counsel had made a criminal referral to the DOJ. She had concluded that Trump's conduct constituted a violation of Federal law (that's at least 2 criminal referrals off the same incident) and a WSJ article has the CIA wondering aloud why DOJ didn’t take up an investigation. The answer is Barr, but the point is that Barr gets further marginalized and weaker within the DOJ because there is no modicum of objectivity. He's Trump's consigliere, the Dark Lord of the Sith. He's not a legitimate AG. This badly hurts Trump's attempts to use Barr's office and standing to purvey conspiracy theories intended to upend the Mueller findings, absolve Russia, and allow him to lift sanctions, pardon Manafort, and turn the tables on the corruption issue against Democrats. If there are still decent people at the DOJ who have a means to sideline Barr, force his recusal, and either appoint a Special Prosecutor, or simply agree to open investigations and take criminal referrals, this entire government ends soon thereafter.

Dems issue document demand to Mike Pence while Trump has set up Pence perfectly to take the fall. Pence was never questioned by the Special Counsel when he should've been. He's been a witness and possible accomplice to a number of instances of obstruction and other dubious activities, but he never got caught in the web … until now. One article from WAPO and Trump has knifed and hooked him into the net. There’s no way for Pence to deny that he was a critical piece of the extortion scheme against Zelensky. If he refuses to cooperate, he'll have to deal with it in court and will likely lose. His political career is effectively permanently damaged. There's no crime that Trump will get impeached for that Pence isn't also guilty of as it relates to Ukraine. The chance that he ascends to the Presidency without facing criminal charges or impeachment is limited. At best, if Trump were to resign, the GOP might protect him to allow him to become the POTUS, but he wouldn't be able to run for the next term and when he's out of office he'll face charges. Additionally, Trump can blame Pence for all the crimes committed in the extortion scheme and Pence has no legal or constitutional shield to whatever Trump might put out there. That could force his resignation and allow Trump to nominate Ivanka at the convention while the Veep slot stays vacant, forcing the GOP to protect Trump, lest Pelosi become President. Now, Mikey could get smart, grasp that he's hosed, and cooperate with Schiff for an immunity deal. He confesses to everything, provides the dirt on everyone and resigns.

That OLC memo that protects the president from criminal indictment while in office is a bitch for Pence, since it simultaneously makes clear the VP enjoys no such protections. It's why Spiro Agnew had to resign in disgrace after being caught accepting bribes.
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[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

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Senator Ron Johnson, OMG this one had me LMFAO. Per WSJ, Johnson got word from Trump donor and appointee Sondland that Trump was shaking down Ukraine for campaign help by holding up the military aid. Johnson asked Trump directly and Trump denied it. A few days later, the shakedown continued but then as Senators started getting wind from Ronnie and began intervening a bit more, the gambit fell apart because Trump, Mulvaney, Pence, Pompeo and Rudy heard footsteps as Bolton (or friends of Bolton) started leaking. So Ron Johnson appears to have set in motion a series of events that led to exposure of Trump's extortion scheme, the scuttling of such scheme and Trump's impeachment. Thanks Ronnie!!! You look for instances of poetic justice in times like these, and this might end up being one of them.

BTW, in case you all might not be familiar with Ron Johnson's rep, he's considered the most clueless person in the Senate. The man is dumb as a stump. He's like the Woody Harrelson character in Cheers. Good guy for a Republican, but he's just naive and clueless AND dumb. So it was total poetic justice for Ron Johnson to naively confront Trump over the extortion scheme, for Trump to deny it to this bumbling and naive GOP senator, and for his co-conspirators to get spooked and abandon ship when word got to Bolton and he started exposing everyone through leaks.

Edit: Dems just subpoenaed Mulvaney. I hate that smarmy POS. This day just gets better.

Edit2: Just saw that Ron Johnson was the SOURCE of the WSJ article, whom he went to in good faith thinking Trump's denial of the shakedown would help the president. d0h! Like I said, dumb as a stump as this just gets better and better.

[–] yatzo376 (7717) 5 years ago

A beautiful day!
Just like Trumps phone call! 😅

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Just one simple question from Eamon Javers as to whether he has ever called for an investigation against someone who was not an opponent caught him napping and threw him off rhythm.

Damn! I saw that, too! I thought T-rump would have a seizure in front of everyone. He didn't know what to say.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

Most likely the reason ROMNEY is speaking out against what THE SCAM MAN has done is because he's planning on RUNNING for office again.

That also means several SENATORS who are members of the GOP could also be planning on VOTING to CONVICT the SCAM MAN and his PUPPET PENCE when the TRIAL is held as a way to GET RID of both of them and make way for ROMNEY to run for office again in 2020.

A CONGRESSMAN who was on HARDBALL (which is aired tonight on MSNBC) discussed the matter with Chris MATTHEWS who is the HOST of that show.

Later on A VIDEO will also be available so you can watch it, because the NETWORK also always eventually provides VIDEOS of each show that they air.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

You mean another run for the presidency? He's already in the Senate now, taking over the seat formerly occupied by Orin Hatch.

If you mean for president I think that's a good guess, but I don't think he'll get very far because the 35% of the country that remains firmly behind Trump will never forgive him for turning on their hero and cult leader.

But I'm glad to hear Romney's voice. He should get credit for being first to break with the president. He's no McCain, but I'll take it. Of course he's also at less risk since Trump is far less popular in Utah compared to other Republican strongholds so Romney is in no danger of losing his Senate seat for turning on Trump.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Romney said earlier this year he was considering a run for the Presidency and facing T-rump in a primary.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Really? Then he's delusional. He'll get eaten alive by the cultists.

He clearly doesn't seem to understand the GOP is now firmly the party of Trump. Maybe that's not true with Utah's GOP so he lives in a bubble. But any internal polling on the issue should have broken that truth to him long ago.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

The only reason (allegedly, according to insiders on his campaign) he ran for the Senate in the first place was to get his name out there in the GOP once again. Once he won (which he knew he could) , his agenda was solely to be an outspoken critic of T-rump, and show the party he was 'old school' GOP; the alternative to T-rump in 2020.

Let's face it - he really hasn't been as outspoken as he promised to be. And I don't think he realized how the GOP would fall lock-step behind T-rump by 2020.

BTW, Paul Ryan left the Senate with a plan to primary T-rump in 2020 as well. I think he realizes now it's a waste of time.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

lolz, Paul Ryan? He needs to stick to his current Fox advisory role and keep pushing Lachlan Murdoch to cut Trump loose. He has a far better chance of ousting Trump that way than a primary where he'll just get jeered off the stage by hordes of hostile trumpanzees.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Keep in mind, Ryan thought he could be a formidable challenger when he first announced he was leaving the Senate in early 2018. At the time, he - like Romney - figured T-rump was nothing more than a clown, and the GOP would be looking for a 'real, respectable candidate' for 2020. (Kasich also talked about running in 2020 in early 2018).

None of them could foresee the Clown would turn the party into his own three ring circus by the end of 2019.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

Once the SCAM MAN is removed from OFFICE will that 35% still care about him??? And did they ever really CARE or is this all about BURNING EVERYTHING DOWN because they're PISSED at the way they've been treated and haven't had a DECENT RAISE in WAGES since back in the 1970's???

In other words, isn't it possible the SCAM MAN is merely someone who's being USED by them just as much as he's USING THEM???

And as soon as they no longer have a USE for HIM anymore, they'd probably also DROP their INTEREST in HIM just as quickly as he does his interest in the LONG LIST of others who worked for him and then refused to do whatever it is that he wanted them to do???

Unlike the case is with you, I'm not convinced those people at those GOOFY RALLIES are really there because of HIM. What I suspect is they're MOSTLY there in HOPES of being able to SEE THEMSELVES ON TV. So the RALLY is more like showing up for the PRICE is RIGHT and hoping to be picked to stand there behind him where they can BASK in seeing THEIR OWN REFLECTIONS there on the BOOB TUBE.

And soon as that's no longer an OPTION anymore, they'll probably also FLING their RED CAPS into the TRASH and move on to whatever the NEXT pastime is that they find to amuse themselves with???

Because Now that they SMELL the BLOOD in the WATER, according to POLLS they also already seem to be LOOSING interest in him. It will definitely be interesting to see if they continue to keep loosing interest in him as the IMPEACHMENT process progresses.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

You think so? That's pretty pathetic if they get all tricked out in MAGA gear red and attend a Trump rally just for the fleeting chance they might be able to brag about a couple seconds they get on TV. That never would have crossed my mind, but if true they need to get a life.

I do think you could be right they snap out of their cult mentality, but only if Trump's crimes prove to be so undeniable that they're forced to confront them instead of blaming it all on the "deep state". They're undeniable now, but conservative propaganda outlets haven't relayed this truth and admitted defeat yet.

Otherwise, it's really hard for me to see those same dorks rallying behind Pence for example. Not that Pence has any shot of surviving the current scandal, but I can't see them lining up behind Ted Cruz either.

Romney's too genteel of a politician to excite the MAGA cultists who love Trump because they've never had a champion who they felt did such a good job at "owning the libs". From what I've seen, that's the whole reason they're in love with him to that degree.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

See that's the point with many of these RED HAT WEARERS ... is how many of them have NO LIFE ... and many of them are also addicted to that pain medication that's killed so many people.

Think of a place like WEST VA where jobs in the mining industry have NOSE DIVED, and the rate for taking the DRUG is also SKY HIGH. And it's also a place that's DEVOTED to what they see as being their GREAT LEADER, who also fills their heads with the same kind of BS that he told other SUCKERS as a way to get them to pay him $35,000 to ATTEND his FAKE UNIVERSITY.

Only in WV he told them LIES about bringing back their JOBS again in the mining industry (which also didn't happened ... just like NO ONE ever got RICH from attending his FAKE UNIVERISTY like he claimed they would).

These people are so desperate that they'll believe almost anything (like the others did who ended up drinking the POISONED KOOL AID after they joined the CULT that JIM JONES ran and the CONGRESSMEN showed up to investigate him).

And since ROMNEY said he didn't give a damn about 49% of the COUNTRY (which includes what he sees as being LOSERS like those who support the SCAM MAN), of course they shouldn't support him. But then they should also never have supported the SCAM MAN who doesn't really give a damn about them either.

They'll probably keep watching the PROPAGANDA CHANNEL and listening to IDIOTS like RUSH on the RADIO who may also complain about how UNFAIR it is to have the SCAM MAN sitting in JAIL. But sympathy for him and their interest in him probably also won't last very long once he no longer has access to a MICROPHONE, a TV CAMERA, and his TWITTER account.

And it will also be interesting to see if the POLLS will continue to keep showing a DECLINE in those who use to support the SCAM MAN.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

It's not just Fox or Limbaugh propaganda either (although I love the fact that Rush has been attacking Fox lately, I love these civil warring spectacles between the propagandists) there's this really insidious propagandist by the name of John Solomon who writes an opinion column for The Hill. He used to be a well respected AP investigative journalist before blowing a fuse somewhere over the last dozen years and drifting into right wing conspiracy LALA land. So unfortunately he has the air of respectability even though he's a right wing conspiracy clown now who's well known for running stories that come straight from GOP oppo research firms that no other journalists will touch.

The whistleblower report names a number of John Solomon stories as falsely pushing the entirely bullshit and discredited Hunter Biden Ukraine story this past March/April. There's this bizarro clown here on moviechat who calls himself krl97a who has professed his undying love for John Solomon propaganda. It really is sketchy.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

Thanks for explaining who some of these RIGHT WING NUTS ARE and what they're up to these days. Believe it or not when someone mentioned TUCKER ( whatever his last name is) I also had NO IDEA who he was or who they were talking about because of NEVER having WATCHED the PROPAGANDA CHANNEL before that constantly BROWN NOSES the SCAM MAN.

As for this krl poster, I also recall that name from the former imdb board and how they were also a NUT JOB who never said anything worth reading (which is also the reason why I never bother reading anything here that they or any of the other TROLLS have to say).

LIFE's just TOO SHORT for having USELESS ENCOUNTERS with them.

I'd much rather spend my TIME discussing ISSUES with those who are of LIKE MIND in regards to POLITICAL matters.

On MSNBC this morning a GUEST on AM JOY also compared POMPEO to IVANKA who they also BASHED for the way she PARADES around in her $5,000 DRESSES and $10,000 HAND BAGS while PRETENDING to CARE about people and what happens to them when she really DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN about them or about helping them.

MSNBC is so SUPERIOR to the PROPAGANDA CHANNEL that, imo, is NOTHING more than A SICK JOKE.

They've also got a GUEST on now that was a PROSECUTOR back during the WATERGATE SCANDAL. She's also a regular GUEST on the show and has some EXTEMELY INTERESTING INSIGHTS into what's currently going on.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Are you kidding? That clown was from IMDB? How did I ever miss him over there? I guess he just hung out on the political boards over there.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

If I recall correctly they were also posting on other boards (because I also didn't visit and post to the Politics board until just before the place closed down).

But on CNN they showed HECKLERS at a town meeting who were also calling out FAKE NEWS when a CONGRESSWOMAN tried to discuss the UKRAINE MATTER, and still another CULT FOLLOWER (a guy wearing a CAP but not the RED ONE) also claimed the DEMOCRATS were SORE LOSERS who were making it all up.

So it also looks like you might be right about how DELUSIONAL his CULT MEMBERS can be even though the EVIDENCE also CLEARLY indicates the SCAM MAN himself has already CONFESSED to what he's done by WITHHOLDING the MONEY from UKRAINE because they didn't find any DIRT for him on BIDEN.

The EXTENT of the DENIAL definitely also seems to be a RESULT of the CRAP that they've heard coming from the PROPAGANDA TV channel. Because all they do is REPEAT the same stuff that one sees in CLIPS that MSNBC shows from that CHANNEL and from the TWEETS where the SCAM MAN also LIES and says the same kind of BS.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Seriously, that a-hole could kill an immigrant child on live TV and his supporters would LOVE it. I truly believe they would.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

MSNBC is discussing how CHUCK TODD interviewed a REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN (SENATOR JOHNSON) on MEET the PRESS today, and how he just gave a GREEN LIGHT to the SCAM MAN that's it's OK for him to BREAK the LAW by asking OTHER COUNTRIES like CHINA to HELP him try to win the NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

How much LOWER can members of the GOP GO and SINK DOWN to???

As soon as a LINK is found that has the EXCHANGE between them I'll post it here.

Here's the link where you can watch the INTERVIEW:

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press

The TITLE of the video is this:

'Senator Johnson, please': GOP Senator refuses to answer questions over Ukraine

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Amazing...

This, orange, corrupt, fat hog could actually potentially win a second term even with this firestorm commencing. IF the fat hog wins again, what's to really stop them from keeping him from a lifelong presidency? Seriously--if they can just override all checks and balances and do whatever the hell they please then who's to stop them from trying to keep the fat hog in longer than two terms?

Nothing would surprise me at this point. Nothing.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

The only shot he has of winning a 2nd term at this point is if he cheats, which of course is entirely possible.

But his strategy now of trying to blame his Energy Secretary Rick Perry for the Zelensky call because Perry advised him to make the call is off the charts. It reveals just how desperate he is.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

And now he's accusing Pelosi of treason...HOO-boy...

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Hah! A federal judge just ruled he's gotta turn over eight years of his personal and corporate tax returns to Manhattan prosecutors.

This motherfucker is going down. Expect an epic twitter screed incoming from a certain decades long tax cheat.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

MSNBC just said he's going to APPEAL the RULING, so here we go again with still more of his SLEAZY STALLING TACTICS again.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Ok, but at least now that an official impeachment inquiry has been opened federal courts will put these cases on the fast track to adjudication. He can't stall indefinitely and run out the clock in courts with an impeachment inquiry open.

That's why it was inexcusable for Pelosi to take so long to open an inquiry. Until she did, Trump could stonewall indefinitely and run out the clock through the courts.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Maybe I need to catch up on things, but haven't several judges already made this request to which Trump responded by trying to sue to keep them from being released?

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

It's hard to say precisely WTF is going on regarding the INCOME TAX ISSUE.

The last time I recall on MSNBC MAXINE (who heads the FINANCE committee) said the GERMAN BANK that's been BUSTED for MONEY LAUNDERING had turned over COPIES of the SCAM MAN's INCOME TAXES to her.

So why would they need to FIGHT with him in COURT if they've already got copies of them, and when the separate HOUSE COMMITTEES have also been COMBINED now into one BIG ONE???

As for the FAST TRACK idea, since the SCAM MAN has also been able to PACK the COURTS with RIGHT WING JUDGES (due to the way MOSCOW MITCH also refused to let OBAMA appoint anyone during his TERMS), that may also mean the COURTS are already full of RIGHT WING NUTS who would also do whatever they could to help and support the SCAM MAN.

And YES I also agree that NANCY should have started the IMPEACHMENT process after the MUELLER REPORT was released, but both PUBLIC OPINION POLLS and HOUSE MEMBERS (including members of her own party) both indicated that MOST PEOPLE wouldn't be in support of her IMPEACHING HIM.

And that's why she WAITED until PUBLIC OPINION changed along with the OPINIONS of members of the HOUSE.

So for that reason both the PUBLIC and members of the HOUSE are also to BLAME for the UNFORTUNATE DELAY that it took to get the OFFICIAL IMPEACHMENT PROCESS started.

PLUS BARR also LIED to the PUBLIC saying there was NOTHING to see in the MUELLER REPORT (which he also FALSELY claimed said the SCAM MAN was innocent), and then he HELD IT HOSTAGE for the next 2 MONTHS before he released parts of it to us (after his also BLACKING OUT lots of other parts of it that we still haven't seen yet).

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

All that I know is that the fat man has been stonewalling his entire presidency and I'm worried we'll be stuck with two terms of this moron because of how much of a delay all this stonewalling is causing.

Our country can't survive another term of this psychopath.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

There's this bizarro clown here on moviechat who calls himself krl97a who has professed his undying love for John Solomon propaganda.

This explains so much. I knew krl97a had quite a few screws loose (so obvious), but never realized he had his head up Solomon's ass.

I never ran into him over at IMDB (not that I recall, at least).

I know GD5150 was there, pushing his 'neo nazi / white surpemacist' propaganda which he used to quote verbatim from the DailyStormer site. He used to go by the names 'Atlas Shrugged', 'Stormer', and 'Storm13'. He'd say all racist things about the Obamas.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

krl is probably also a SOCK PUPPET account of another account …

because that name would also tend to show up to lend support and/or ECHO something that someone else was saying …

even though they'd also never shown any interest before in whatever FILM or TV show or whatever else was being discussed at the time.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

New Yorker (still the gold standard of investigative journalism) published a fabulous piece up yesterday that exposes the oppo research firm behind spreading the bogus Biden conspiracy theory; one that goes by the Orwellian name "Government Accountability Institute".

This firm was the brainchild of Steve Bannon and Breitbart editor-at-large Peter Schweizer while funded by the Mercers. They were also behind the publishing of the since debunked smear job Clinton Cash that peddled the bogus Uranium One story. John Solomon would be used to push these bogus conspiracy hit jobs out as unvetted or poorly sourced mainstream news articles in The Hill.

After being caught out publishing the Uranium One story, instead of firing him they moved him from hard news division to the opinion section. That was clearly a tip to the revenue he was generating from outsized readership numbers inflated by the bonkers 4chan-8chan loons that worship him. krl97a has proudly professed himself an unapologetic Solomon disciple and cites debunked Solomon opinion columns to back up his alt-reality worldview. The boy is happy and content as an unhinged Solomon dupe.

I'm grateful to the whistleblower for finally bringing the scrutiny to Solomon propaganda that his fictitious reporting deserves. Interestingly, Solomon and The Hill have not returned requests for comment since this whole thing blew up and he hasn't authored any new pieces since the release of the Whistleblower report. It's obvious they're trying to figure out what to do with him and have yet to make a final decision. They're partly responsible for the cult following he has now, they're probably taking care to ensure they fire him with just cause by scouring and documenting his litany of bogus stories where he uses dubious anonymous sourcing to support his fictitious claims.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

While I haven't had the "pleasure" of smelling this turd on IMDB, this past of his sure explains a LOT and doesn't surprise me in the least.

Now that I think of it...I can only count on one hand the number of Trumpers I've seen who DON'T sound batsh!t crazy...and NONE of them are online. All the online Trumpers seem to have screws loose. Not one--not ONE--sounds like a normal person online be it here on this sit or any other comments section on the web.

[–] Gd5150 (11774) 5 years ago

Welcome to fantasy land.

The open minded educated Americans who want to know how the country is doing can just open their eyes and refuse to be slaves to the communist run Democrat party media. Look at the hard evidence presented to support every accusation the communist run Democrat media/party has made for the last 3 years.

The hard evidence presented so far:

Any questions?

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

LoLZ. In the texts of US Special Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker to EU ambassador Gordon Sondland, Ukrainian administration staff, and former Ukraine ambassador Bill Taylor at the time:

"Most impt. is for Zelensky to say he will help investigation."
"Heard from White House -- assuming president Z convinces trump he will investigate/ `get to the bottom of what happened' in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to Washington."
"I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."

July 21 has my favorite text:

Bill Taylor: Gordon, one thing Kurt and I talked about yesterday ... was [the] point that president Zelensky is sensitive to Ukraine being taken seriously, not merely as an instrument in Washington domestic/re-election politics."

Proof of an impeachable crime does not get clearer than that. Give it up. Hard evidence Trump's extortion racket has been exposed.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

CHECK out this LINK which has been ADDED on to my TEXT GATE TOPIC where it QUOTES what BILL TAYLOR said about what the SCAM MAN did in regards to UKRAINE:

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5d976d6fd652de7674ac0a71/TEXT-GATE/edit

TEXT MESSAGES QUOTE:

9/9/19 12:47 AM

Bill Taylor:

I think it's CRAZY to withhold SECURITY ASSISTANCE for help with a POLITICAL CAMPAIGN[/b]

In other words, Bill Taylor thinks the SCAM MAN is CRAZY for the way he REFUSES to give UKRAINE the FINANCIAL AID that it needs unless they DIG UP DIRT for him on BIDEN.

Thus the reason why Chris HAYES (the HOST of ALL IN on MSNBC) is correct when he calls the SCAM MAN "A MORALLY INCOMPETENT SOCIOPATH."

And Here's a LINK to the WEBSITE where CHRIS HAYES discusses the TEXT MESSAGES in a VERY FUNNY, EDUCATIONAL, EASY to UNDERSTAND, and ENTERTAINING way:

https://www.msnbc.com/all

CLICK ON the VIDEO with this TITLE:

[b]Chris Hayes on how the text messages destroy Trump’s alibi

[–] Gd5150 (11774) 5 years ago

Looking forward to 6 more years of Trump. Booming economy. Booming approval rating. The latest impeachment sham won’t move pat inquiry, and everyone knows it.

Democrat candidates are down to Warren who’s entire career exists because she lied about her ethnicity. She’s less inspiring than Hilary, and that’s quite an accomplishment. 2020 is already over.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Sounds like you're really setting yourself up to be bitterly disappointed. I remember when you kept repeating your fantasy that Dems would lose midterms.

2nd confirmed whistleblower in the fold. Now he's trying to blame it all on Rick Perry? Seriously?
Blaming people who can flip on you is a great way to hasten your demise. Your WH idol is doing it. He doesn't have the impulse control not to. Even if he hires a top tier lawyer he won't follow their advice.

Even John Gotti listened to his counsel.

If you haven't seen the clip of Senator Ernst not answering her constituent's “Where is the line?” google it. This is what town halls will look like for GOP Senators until Trump is gone. The confrontations and the invasions will be all over the local news.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

I hope so. That McConnell speech from today (while not surprising in the slightest) really had me spooks as it sounds like he's fully intent on just stonewalling the entire impeachment/allowing Trump to get away with all of it.

I swear, if Donald gets away with all this then how could we NOT see ourselves as a dictatorship at that point? I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

The whistleblower attorney left the door open to more than 2 whistleblowers in his twitter statement. WB2 looks like a senior Intel official, and it also looks like there are more. Word on the street is there are seven whistleblowers lined up down the pike.

While none of the whistleblowers are needed to establish Trump's guilt, they are valuable in terms of filling out how Trump's demands were operationalized and executed into a full blown criminal conspiracy. I think WB2 may have a lot more to share about Pence, Pompeo and their aides. I’d also like to know about the role of the White House Counsel's office and AG Barr. WB2 could really end up landing a whole bunch of people in jail and trigger a further unraveling.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

Sounds like an impeachment won't even be necessary/happening then. If anything, it sounds more like a situation where Trump and several others may have to cut deals to resign then.

Perhaps that was always the intention here?

There is a prevailing theory circling the net (and also form a former Trump exec during an interview) that states that Donald Trump may wind up resigning by cutting a deal for immunity from not only these White House crimes but also immunity from those sealed indictments from New York that are waiting for him.

What do you make of that? Any thoughts? Regardless of how I read it, almost no one (including myself) thinks he'll be impeached/removed via impeachment. A LOT of people think he'll resign.

See, I have my doubts on some of that because I can't see someone as childish and narcissistic as Trump EVER just giving up/resigning. I'm thinking that New York deal might be the only thing that would compel him to do so.

But you know more about all of this than me...what do you think?

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

The wildcard is still Lord Barr. That's where the real power lies as he's the hand of the throne. He is the only thing keeping Trump afloat right now and knows his #1 job is to be Trump's Roy Cohn. And so far at least, he doesn't appear to have exposure in this whole Ukraine scandal. So while all this turmoil goes on, he continues to go about his job of discrediting the Russia probe and exacting Trump's vendetta against the intel community.

What has me concerned is how giddy conservatives like Hugh Hewitt have been acting about what the Dark Lord is going to turn up. The route to ending the administration is to take him out. Barr has exposed himself, however, by going after the IC to trash them for daring to investigate candidate Trump. If the IC has any juice left, they should come back at Barr and head him off. IC should launch their own investigation into Barr for attempting to undermine the IC and international cooperation among the western alliance (which is what Barr is doing). That's a clear and present danger to national security.

This would require FBI open an investigation or CIA open a counterintel investigation and get a DOJ lawyer who is friendly to sign off on arrests or charges. Open an investigation and have him arrested. Take him out of the picture and Trump is done. House Dems could also impeach on that basis. Another way he could go would require senior leadership of the DOJ to have a mutiny of sorts.

What Barr is doing with his "origins of the investigation" Is obstruction of justice. He is obstructing the Russia investigation and all the ongoing trials, guilty pleas and convictions that have flowed from it (e.g., Flynn, Stone, Manafort). This is an easy case to make because Barr is obviously acting in bad faith. Get him out of the way and Trump has no protection.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 5 years ago

It scares me how easily Barr (and others) has bastardized his powers with absolutely no repercussions. If there's anything the Donald Trump presidency has shown us it's just how scarily FRAGILE our system of checks and balances truly is and how much of a joke our idea of "freedom" is. We're not a free nation if these people can all just abuse the law and face no consequences.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

Barr is named many times in the COMPLAINT filed by WB #1 (who they claim only has 2nd hand knowledge EVEN though EVERYTHING WB 1 said has proven to be TRUE so far).

QUOTE:

9 In May, Attorney General Barr announced that he was initiating a probe into the "origins" of the Russia investigation. According to the above-referenced OCCRP report (22 July), two associates of Mfr. Giuliani claimed to be working with Ukrainian officials to uncover information that would become part of this inquiry. In an interview with Fox News on 8 August, Mr. Giuliani claimed that Mr. John Durham, whom Attorney General Barr designated to lead this probe, was "spending a lot of time in Europe" because he was "investigating Ukraine." I do not know the extent to which, if at all, Mr. Giuliani is directly coordinating his efforts on Ukraine with Attorney General Barr or Mr. Durham.

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So if WB 2 (who has FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of what WB 1 said) backs up the claims WB1 made regarding BARR, his GOOSE is also COOKED.

PLUS BARR is still playing MIND GAMES now with CONGRESS the same way as he did before with the MUELLER situation. Remember how they were about to hold him in CONTEMPT of CONGRESS and then he finally released the REPORT in REDACTED form???

Since SCHIFF said they aren't FOOLING AROUND, once they HIT BARR with CONTEMPT of CONGRESS again, they can also HIT him with $25,000 a DAY FINES if he keeps refusing to give them the DOCUMENTS they demand. And they could also LOCK HIM UP in the PRISON that they have as well.

And since the FAT MAN gave in to them the last time they threatened to hold him in CONTEMPT, he'll probably CAVE IN again to their demands this time as well (especially with other WB's coming forward who have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of what BARR's been doing).

It's also been suggested that BARR, PENCE, POMPEO, and RUDY will also be named in the ARTICLES of IMPEACHMENT and EVERYONE but RUDY (who's not in office) will also be IMPEACHED along with the SCAM MAN.

So STAY TUNED and let's see if they are named, because getting RID of BARR and PENCE would also mean NANCY PELOSI becomes our NEXT POTUS.

And with all of these WB's SPILLING the BEANS about what's been going on, hopefully that also means GOP MEMBERS of the SENATE would also have no choice but to VOTE to remove them from office once the EVIDENCE is presented to them at the TRIAL where a SUPREME COURT JUSTICE would also be the one to PRESIDE over it.

It would also be NICE to see RUTH chosen to do that, but since she's not the CHIEF JUSTICE, that means it will most likely also be someone else who PRESIDES over the TRIAL in the SENATE.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

That's true he is named because Trump lumps him in with Rudy when instructing Zelensky to work with them to cook up dirt on Biden.

The problem is that Barr is not a complete imbecile like Rudy. He's a highly cunning bastard and so far as I can see, played no part in the Ukraine scandal. In fact, he was surely the source behind the stories that came out talking about how upset Barr was to be "lumped in with Rudy by Trump" when that story first broke. He has a mastery of how to manipulate the press to his benefit. He is a clear and present danger. Sure Dems can subpoena his testimony and hope they can catch him self incriminating but he's also proven to be very adept and slippery providing testimony.

That's why I really want to hear more about WB2 and Barr's role. One of these whistleblowers has got to be the hero willing to blow the whistle on the Dark Lord.

The probe he initiated cited in the WB complaint in the quote you provided is being conducted under legitimate pretenses, so he's able to still pretend it was all on the up and up. There's nothing ostensibly wrong with checking on the work of the probe. What we need though are whistleblowers that have the dirt and will testify to his criminal wrongdoing on how he's going about witness tampering and destroying and manipulating evidence to discredit the probe.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

QUOTE:

9 In May, Attorney General Barr announced that he was initiating a probe into the "origins" of the Russia investigation. According to the above-referenced OCCRP report (22 July), two associates of Mfr. Giuliani claimed to be working with Ukrainian officials to uncover information that would become part of this inquiry. In an interview with Fox News on 8 August, Mr. Giuliani claimed that Mr. John Durham, whom Attorney General Barr designated to lead this probe, was "spending a lot of time in Europe" because he was "investigating Ukraine." I do not know the extent to which, if at all, Mr. Giuliani is directly coordinating his efforts on Ukraine with Attorney General Barr or Mr. Durham.

END QUOTE

One QUESTION to ask is was BARR one of those 12 people who LISTENED to the PHONE CALL.

Because IF he did listen to it, (and then did NOTHING to STOP the SCAM MAN from BREAKING the LAW that it's HIS JOB to PROTECT as the ATTY GEN), then that should also be grounds for his IMPEACHMENT.

And IF RUDY has something on his CELL PHONES that can PROVE BARR is a part of the UKRAINE CONSPIRACY, or IF BARR's also been involved in the COVER UP process and in the ATTEMPT to HIDE IT on the SERVER (that's suppose to only be for TOP SECRET's),then they should also be able to BUST HIM that way.

As you may recall, BARR was also BUSY REDACTING the MUELLER REPORT to make sure NOTHING SECRET was revealed. So one would also expect him to be involved in the COVER UP of the UKRAINE PHONE CALL as well due to it's also HIS JOB to determine what's SECRET or NOT.

So if SOMEONE can CONFIRM that he not only KNEW about the PHONE CALL to UKRAINE, but was also involved in trying to HIDE and COVER UP the SUMMARY NOTES of it, HE'S BUSTED BIGTIME.

Because THE COVER UP part of the PROCESS is also PROOF that those INVOLVED in doing it also KNEW what they were doing was WRONG.

And the COVER UP part of the PROCESS is also PROOF that they're all as GUILTY as HELL in regards to what they did regarding the UKRAINE matter.

Thus the reason why all of the other BS that they keep saying is just SILLY IRRELEVANT CRAP that they keep throwing at the WALL in hopes that something they keep throwing at it will STICK to it.

But NONE of what they say will matter one bit once the SENATE TRAIL takes place where they'll STICK WITH and only deal with THE RELEVANT FACTS of the case.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

OVER On the other TOPIC about ISIS NOT being defeated (and our TROOPS being removed from SYRIA ... which is why TURKEY is MOVING in on the KURDS) this was said:

DURING WORLD WAR 2 FDR got ELECTED again to a 3RD TERM in OFFICE.

Perhaps the SCAM MAN plans on starting WORLD WAR 3 for the SAME REASON???

So that he can try to CLAIM electing someone else in 2020 and in 2024 would put the SECURITY of the COUNTRY at RISK???

And He'd probably also say only his BRAIN is BIG ENOUGH or SMART ENOUGH to be able to deal with the matter???

And Didn't he also try to CLAIM that BOOTING him OUT of OFFICE would cause another CIVIL WAR???

STARTING another WORLD WAR might be his PLAN for how to SLEAZE OUT of the IMPEACHMENT PROCESS.

Because he can also declare MARTIAL LAW during a NATIONAL EMERGENCY.

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Martial Law

Martial law is the imposition of the highest-ranking military officer as the military governor or as the head of the government, thus removing all power from the previous executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.

Martial law - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

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In other words, maybe he also PLANS on REMOVING members of the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH that he's also accused of TREASON???

And maybe he also plans on PACKING the rest of the COURT with only people who are LOYAL to him??? Or maybe he even plans on doing away with the COURT and the LEGISLATIVE BRANCHES all together???

PENCE would probably also get DUMPED and be replaced by his DAUGHTER ... or maybe by BARR???

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IF the SCAM MAN gets rid of PENCE, and makes BARR his VP, the DARK LORD might also do something to GET RID of the SCAM MAN so that he can be POTUS.

In other words, he might also have a PLAN to SCAM the SCAM MAN and STEAL his position away from him.

[–] joi2049 (5562) 5 years ago

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[–] Gd5150 (11774) 5 years ago

No I remember 3 years of the communist run Democrat media/party guaranteeing us evidence of Trump Russia collusion. Also remember their claims the day after his election the stock market and economy would crash.

To date:
- zero evidence of collusion as confirmed by the mueller report
- market up 40%
- record unemployment
- record approval rating
- Democrats working the usual playbook of fake witnesses who turn out to be democrat party operatives which can produce zero evidence. Russia, Balsy-Ford, and the latest flavor of the week impeachment sham.

The impeachment inquiry is already dead. They won’t even take a vote to move it past the inquiry phase. It’s laughable how uneducated one has to be in politics to think this has any legs.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Speaking of uneducated in politics, you are right now hilariously clowning yourself with your own gross ignorance. Why would they want to move it past the inquiry phase? They've only just begun. Inquiry is like the discovery process in court where subpoenas are issued and evidence is gathered.

Nixon's impeachment inquiry began February 6, 1974. During inquiry was when, in the process of gathering evidence, Congress obtained grand jury materials and Nixon tried to give doctored transcripts of his tapes when subpoenaed. This provided more impetus for Congress to pursue the actual tapes. Congress did not commence hearings until three months later May 9, 1974. You clearly have no idea what you're even talking about and sound as clueless about the Mueller Report as that raging right wing clown krl97a. Nope, Mueller didn't assess Trump on collusion, only conspiracy. Page 180 of the Mueller Report, look it up.

The mistake the Dems made was putting all their hopes in a GOP pushover who clearly wasn't up for the Special Counsel job of pursuing Trump on collusion. He was too intimidated to even look into his finances or demand he sit down for an interview for chrissakes. The overriding finding of the Mueller Report by Mueller and his prosecutors is they could not find enough available evidence of conspiracy because Trump and his loyalists destroyed, manipulated, and obstructed them from obtaining evidence. This happened over and over again as detailed in Volume Two. Manafort backed out of a cooperation agreement with Mueller after Trump witness tampered by dangling pardons. This is irrefutable.

Through it all, you remain grossly ignorant of facts.

[–] yatzo376 (7717) 5 years ago

Being a bitter ender is admirable - congrats

[–] Thespear (134) 5 years ago

Anyone who can see that Biden's son's appointment might be a result of nepotism but can not see that Trump has put the country up sale for his own personal, political reasons is dishonest!

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

?!?

Of course Trump is dishonest, but we already knew that seeing as how he's averaging 13 lies a day, having broken 10k lies since the start of his presidency at last count.

He's also a colossal hypocrite seeing as how his appointment of his own totally unqualified daughter and son-in-law as White House advisors was a direct result of his own nepotism whereas Biden's son accepting that ridiculously overpaid board position from a company attempting to curry favor with Hunter's father had nothing to do with Joe. The ploy also didn't work since Joe's pressure on firing the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor bribed to look the other way on Burisma actually had the opposite effect of placing them in greater risk of a corruption investigation. This despite the right wing hack John Solomon's debunked articles in March/April in the Hill suggesting the opposite actually happened.

Nepotism of a President's family members cashing in with companies hoping to curry favor is a long standing ethically dubious tradition in US politics since there are no laws against the practice. In 2002 Bush's brother Neil took a job as a consultant for a Chinese semiconductor company that paid him 3 mil in stock and 15k per board meeting (adjusted for inflation) he attended.

Meanwhile, there is no doubt that Trump's sons Donnie Jr and Eric are doing tons of overseas business managing Trump's own company with foreign companies hoping to curry favor with the President. Unlike Joe, Trump is directly profiting off the office. His hypocrisy knows no bounds.